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Why use RAW instead of JPG with PS CS3?
I have been capturing my photos using RAW + JPG since getting a DSLR, but I have yet to actually use PS CS3 Camera Raw for much processing of my photos the white balance as shot almost always looks right, and it's not clear that I couldn't perform all of the other processing using vanilla PS CS3 on the image as JPG and save myself lots of disk space. But I read time and time again that saving photos as RAW is much better it can't all be just hype, so probably I just need to come up to speed and climb higher on the Camera Raw learning curve..

What would you say are the most handy features of PS CS3 Camera Raw, and how and in what order (workflow) do you use them?.

Thanks in advance for your responses..

Jameshttp://www.flickr.com/photos/buddhafinger/..

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James Adams wrote:.

What would you say are the most handy features of PS CS3 Camera Raw,and how and in what order (workflow) do you use them?.

Most handy? None. How and in what order would I use them? Never..

Lightroom on the other hand is a dream. If it weren't for Lightroom, I wouldn't be shooting RAW..

As for shooting in RAW, the big thing is latitude for editing. You can bring back detail in blown highlights or blocked shadows. I've saved images that were more than 2 stops overexposed. Try that with JPG.. Wait, don't try it with JPG, cuz it'll never happen...

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I don't know which amera you have but if your auto WB works in well in all situations it's the only camera that does..

I always shoot raw. I find that the ability to modify both WB and exposure to be very helpful. I use lightroom for my RAW processing because it does not affect the base file. This has allowed me to take shots that are bad (usually WB issues) and some that are ok and turn them into something good. I could probably do the same in PS in a jpg but it would be more difficult and you loose detail in multiple compresions..

JimOlympus E-510 and a bunch of stuff to hang on it...

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USACanuck wrote:.

James Adams wrote:.

What would you say are the most handy features of PS CS3 Camera Raw,and how and in what order (workflow) do you use them?.

Most handy? None. How and in what order would I use them? Never..

Lightroom on the other hand is a dream. If it weren't for Lightroom,I wouldn't be shooting RAW..

As for shooting in RAW, the big thing is latitude for editing. Youcan bring back detail in blown highlights or blocked shadows. I'vesaved images that were more than 2 stops overexposed. Try that withJPG.. Wait, don't try it with JPG, cuz it'll never happen...

I can do it with photoshop but some professionals don't care about RAWhttp://www.kenrockwell.com/tech/raw.htm.

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Ken Rockwell is a bit of a nut, and not really a professional..

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I only shoot in RAW. I find that I can adjust exposure while looking at the histogram and end up with a much more desirable image, and that's before other editing. Don't worry about whether Lightroom or CS3. The Adobe Camera Raw is essentially the same and neither edits the base file if you don't want it to..

I think the problem is that many Lightroom owners don't know or have CS3 and vice versa. I have and use both extensively.Cheers, Craig..

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Guidenet wrote:.

Ken Rockwell is a bit of a nut, and not really a professional..

Http://www.kenrockwell.com/nm/aliens/index.htmCheers, Craig.

I was going to say he did a good impression of a professional but then with the space alien stuff - yeah, he's a nut.

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James Adams wrote:.

But I read time and time again that savingphotos as RAW is much better it can't all be just hype, soprobably I just need to come up to speed and climb higher on theCamera Raw learning curve..

Not all hype, but mostly. I've NEVER NEVER NEVER had someone look at one of my photos and say JPG? or RAW? If you are getting the results you like why jump on the band wagon?.

You do have more lattitude with correction, but if you don't need the lattitude you will be spending alot of time and space with RAW. Most image editing software these days can equal the control that RAW editors have including WB, which many many folks in these forums over correct anyway..

Another thing to watch for is the self life, RAW is proprietary, there are some cameras that folks used a few years back that are no longer supported except by the software they were shipped with. The problem is, like with vista, the software may not run forever. If you only save RAW you may have issues in 10 years..

No doubt, there will be scores of folks chiming in after me saying I'm full of it, but let your experience be your guide. Your camera has variable settings for a reason, folks have different flows and areas of expertise. For instance, I'm not a graphic artist, I'm a photographer, I'd rather shoot and get it right in the field, not spend hours at my computer tweaking images in PS..

But, to each 'is own..

____Brian..

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There is some truth on both sides (the extremists drive me nuts too). For most normal images that are within one stop of proper exposure and within the color temp ballpark (plus or minus 1-2 thousand degrees Kelvin), JPEG and CS3 is enough; I capture RAW+JPEG Large and only work with RAW files when I can get a better image starting with the RAW file - which does happens occasionally but not always. I make 24x30 prints myself on an Epson 7880 and NO ONE can ever tell apart those that were done in RAW and those that were done in JPEG (proving there is some hype)..

All of that said, for difficult and critical images - such as ones with lots of shadow detail, low light, being far off on exposure or WB or needing to manage an image with a wide dynamic range or other extreme issues, you can't beat RAW for saving your butt or squeezing every last bit of quality from an original capture. I shoot Nikon (NEF) so if RAW is called for, I always shoot 14-bit, aRGB; start post process in NX for absolute max quality then move to CS3 and do as much in 16-bit as long as possible and use ProPhoto color space throughout post..

Of course if you images matter that much, you are maxing out everything so you also typically want to use only the best L or S glass and shoot as low ISO as possible and nail your exposure and WB to start with..

Yes, you can correct WB and exposure of JPEGS in CS3 (as well as in Elements 6), but I found that RAW gives you a much wider range for correction. Then again, if you need that much range to correct an image you are more likely in image rescue mode and already in trouble..

So there is a bit of truth on both sides - if you are one that wants to achieve maximum IQ then you'll shoot RAW but you'll also need to maximize everything else in your workflow from your choice of camera, optics, exposure, lighting, and the rest..

So the net-net is that to achieve higher technical image quality, there are no single magic bullet; it's a matter of optimizing dozens of variables throughout the entire workflow from shooting to output - going RAW is one of those levers..

Mike.

Polaroid Swinger; Kodak Instamatic 126 Ricoh 500G; Canon FTb; Nikon F2AS; Nikon F3HP; Hasselblad 501CM; Pentax 67II, Nikon 990; Nikon D1x; Nikon D300; PhaseOne P65+ (in my dreams ..

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