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Why are point and shoot so slow? Electronic Viewfinder?
When using point and shoot, Half press to focus, then I saw aninteresting expression of pets or babies, pressthe shutter, and the something would have moved already..

I looked at the Half press -> full press lag, shutter lag...it does not seem that long..

Is the electronic viewfinder the weak link?..

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KennethKwok wrote:.

I looked at the Half press -> full press lag, shutter lag...it does not seem that long.Is the electronic viewfinder the weak link?.

Yes. Especially in low light situations (typical indoors). Optical viewfinder cameras are good for such purpose.Best Wishes, Ajayhttp://picasaweb.google.com/ajay0612Thanks for your time...

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Ajay0612 wrote:.

KennethKwok wrote:.

I looked at the Half press -> full press lag, shutter lag...it does not seem that long.Is the electronic viewfinder the weak link?.

Yes. Especially in low light situations (typical indoors). Opticalviewfinder cameras are good for such purpose.Best Wishes, Ajayhttp://picasaweb.google.com/ajay0612Thanks for your time..

I've owned a dozen point and shoots. Doesn't seem to matter if the VF is Optical or Electronic - Always has a lot of lag, although this varies from camera to camera..

I've read a dozen explanation, really don't care, and sorry, therefore I can't repeat them... .

Went in one ear and out the other...  Try doing a search, there must have been a hundred threads on this topic..

Dave..

Comment #2

The camera waits for focus to be confirmed as I understand it. Therefore, since the focus is so slow, the camera is slow..

This why I wonder why so many people are clamoring for EVIL cameras. Until they make an electronic viewfinder camera that can focus better and faster, these cameras will always be slow.Chris, Broussard, LA..

Comment #3

KennethKwok wrote:.

When using point and shoot, Half press to focus, then I saw aninteresting expression of pets or babies, pressthe shutter, and the something would have moved already..

I looked at the Half press -> full press lag, shutter lag...it does not seem that long..

Is the electronic viewfinder the weak link?.

Different cameras have different speeds. Not all P&S cameras are slow. The Panasonic TZ5 (a small "pocket" camera with a great 28-280mm Leica lens) has a pre-focus to shot (S1>S2) time of approximately 0.09 seconds ....

Http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/panasonictz5/page10.asp.

The TZ5 uses the LCD as the viewfinder. I don't think that the electronic viewfinders are a "weakness". Some P&S cameras are slow because they are poorly designed or cheaply built. Others are not. I have a TZ3 and I'm very happy with it..

Lastly, "slow" is a very relative term. I suppose that someone with Nikon D3 and a highspeed Nikkor lens might consider a D40 with a kit lens as "slow"..

- Simon.

Http://scpics.smugmug.com/..

Comment #4

Have you tried to take photos of moving objects withyour Panasonic TZ3?.

Scphoto wrote:.

KennethKwok wrote:.

When using point and shoot, Half press to focus, then I saw aninteresting expression of pets or babies, pressthe shutter, and the something would have moved already..

I looked at the Half press -> full press lag, shutter lag...it does not seem that long..

Is the electronic viewfinder the weak link?.

Different cameras have different speeds. Not all P&S cameras areslow. The Panasonic TZ5 (a small "pocket" camera with a great28-280mm Leica lens) has a pre-focus to shot (S1>S2) time ofapproximately 0.09 seconds ....

Http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/panasonictz5/page10.asp.

The TZ5 uses the LCD as the viewfinder. I don't think that theelectronic viewfinders are a "weakness". Some P&S cameras are slowbecause they are poorly designed or cheaply built. Others are not. Ihave a TZ3 and I'm very happy with it..

Lastly, "slow" is a very relative term. I suppose that someone withNikon D3 and a highspeed Nikkor lens might consider a D40 with a kitlens as "slow"..

- Simon.

Http://scpics.smugmug.com/..

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KennethKwok wrote:.

Have you tried to take photos of moving objects withyour Panasonic TZ3?.

Here's a shot I took with my TZ3 ....

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The shot was taken at full zoom (280mm) at a bike race in Tucson, Arizona..

In all honesty, I don't usually use my TZ3 for action shots. However, the reason for this has nothing to do with the camera being slow. I think it is very responsive for a small camera. The reason I don't like the TZ3 for action shots is that it has no shutter/aperture control, so I can't set a fast shutter. The best I can do is set "Sports mode" and hope for the best. Also, I don't like using a camera with only a LCD display for following action..

I do use my Panasonic FZ30 for action shots. Some people call the FZ30 a "point and shoot", while others call it a "bridge" or "prosumer" camera. It does have an EVF so it does speak to your question as to why P&S seem slow. I often use it for sports, airshows, and birding. Here's a shot I took with my FZ30 at the Edwards Air Force Base Show in southern California. It was taken at full zoom (420mm):.

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I agree that typically point & shoot cameras not as fast as DSLRs. However, I don't that that ALL P&S cameras are "slow". Some are and some aren't. As the FZ30 example above shows, I don't think it as anything to do with the EVF..

- Simon.

Http://scpics.smugmug.com/..

Comment #6

I'm not sure that I quite agree with your observation that point-and-shoot cameras are slow. I've used some that go for less than a second from power up to taking the first shot, and less than a second from shot to shot..

And I've used varied brands, including Olympus, Samsung, Kodak, Canon and Panasonic Lumix. They don't have the speed of my DSLR, of course, but they're not particularly slow. With my Lumix FZ7 for example, I can click on 4-5 shots successively without any noticeable lag..

Some friends of mine have chosen to turn of Auto-Focus and chose Manual Focus to take even faster shots. However, what it trades off is - increased chances of out-of-focus shots, of course..

Cheers!Noogy..

Comment #7

Scphoto wrote:.

KennethKwok wrote:.

Have you tried to take photos of moving objects withyour Panasonic TZ3?.

Here's a shot I took with my TZ3 ....

The shot was taken at full zoom (280mm) at a bike race in Tucson,Arizona..

In all honesty, I don't usually use my TZ3 for action shots. However,the reason for this has nothing to do with the camera being slow. Ithink it is very responsive for a small camera. The reason I don'tlike the TZ3 for action shots is that it has no shutter/aperturecontrol, so I can't set a fast shutter. The best I can do is set"Sports mode" and hope for the best. Also, I don't like using acamera with only a LCD display for following action..

I do use my Panasonic FZ30 for action shots. Some people call theFZ30 a "point and shoot", while others call it a "bridge" or"prosumer" camera. It does have an EVF so it does speak to yourquestion as to why P&S seem slow. I often use it for sports,airshows, and birding. Here's a shot I took with my FZ30 at theEdwards Air Force Base Show in southern California. It was taken atfull zoom (420mm):.

I agree that typically point & shoot cameras not as fast as DSLRs.However, I don't that that ALL P&S cameras are "slow". Some are andsome aren't. As the FZ30 example above shows, I don't think it asanything to do with the EVF..

- Simon.

Http://scpics.smugmug.com/.

All my P&S cameras have been slow, and I've owned a dozen. Doesn't Matter what the viewfinder is..

All my dSLR's have been fast enough so that the "lag time" is not measurable in real world terms. I point at the target and I shoot. The lag time can be measured by a machine, but I can't measure it..

Dave..

Comment #8

There are some things that can help a bit (pre focusing and switching the AF off etc). For me there are two issues, one is that DSLR's just seem faster and more consisitent in terms of focus speed, especially if prefocused. The other is more personal & idiosyncratic..

With non static stuff, there a comes a point when you have to choose when to take the pic. This is basically about getting the timing right and this in turn can involve anticipation. I find this easier looking through a DSLR viewfinder than an EVF or a display screen. Thats just my take, things may work differently for others.Shay son of Che.

Do androids photograph electronic sheep?..

Comment #9

I have an HP 735 from good old days.It needs 20..30 seconds to record a picture to the card!.

It is a good excercise to shoot moving scenes with it: it can shoot maybe two times, but if there are too many pix in the pipeline, some image files get recorded zero bytes long, that is, useless..

I sometimes switch it to a smaller picture size than the maximal 3 Mpx in the hope the somewhat smaller pciture will get written somewhat faster..

FLAME MODE on.

Do you remember the whining at those times that we did not need 5-6 Mpx, 3 were just enough?FLAME MODE off.

Ivn, son of Jzsef..

Comment #10

Thanks for all the nice answers..

I asked because I was a happy Sony DSC-H5 Prosumer/point and shoot/ non-DSLR/superzoom (12-15x) owner. Great trip with my wife to Europe.The "biggish"size is already considered a Professional compared to the ultracompactin the packaged tour..

Then, my daughter was born.I took a lot of pictures of my then newborn daughter.As she is able to move more of her body as she grows older,she might smile and turn around in a fraction of a second.That is, she would not pose for me yet..

Well, I half-press, see a smiling face on the Camera LCD Screen,then press the shutter. Guess what, the baby has already turned,and all I get is the back of her head, instead of the smiling facethat I hoped for..

The DPReview response time of half press to shutter open seemsminimal. I guess 0.1 of a second is quick enough for me.[I guess 0.6 seconds is probably too long.] I don't understandwhy I fail to take the smiling face despite my "professional" techniqueof "half press" and "pre-focus"..

I read on internet that DSLR is MANDATORY to take photos ofmoving subjects..

Enough is enough, and I go on to Nikon D300 semi-professional/professional DSLR.Yet, it bring diseases: lens lust, camera lust (wanting a "Full FrameAdvantage" D700)..

I asked Thom Hogan if it's good that the micro 4/3 do away withthe mirror and optical viewfinder.Thom Hogan said the LCD needs around 30 frames/second updatefor an almost "instantenous" view comparable to an optical viewfinder.Then, I thought, Ah... maybe the slow electronic viewfinder/LCD isthe culprit..

I wondered, but haven't tried the following technique:Compose with Point and Shoot/Prosumer LCDTake my eyes off the camera, and look at my babyWait for for a smile to appear on my baby.When I see it in my own eyes (not through the LCD), press the shutter.This should take away the electronic viewfinder/LCD lag.I think I should try it tonight..

The aeroplane and cycling shots are great. I have never tried, andprobably never able to take such great shots. Yet, these sort ofgoes on in a predicted path, in a straight line, instead of turning (thebaby's head) away altogether..

So, my question is, has anyone had luck with taking photos ofmoving young babies with point and shoot?I prefer the light weight and small size of compact cameras. I am nota hard core photographer. I take the camera along with my themepark (Ocean Park, Hong Kong) trip with my family,and not going there specifically to take photographs as true photographerslike you kind people...

Comment #11

Or, I could refine my question..

(1) Do you think that point and shoot camerasare slow?.

(2) Do you think that DSLR are fast?(I certainly do).

(3)Why do you think the point and shoot areso slow?.

If I know the answer to (3), then I can tryto think of ways to get by it...

Comment #12

The Panasonic might solve the problem..

ThanksKenneth.

Scphoto wrote:.

I agree that typically point & shoot cameras not as fast as DSLRs.However, I don't that that ALL P&S cameras are "slow". Some are andsome aren't. As the FZ30 example above shows, I don't think it asanything to do with the EVF..

- Simon..

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Kenneth -.

There is no question that DSLRs will typically give you the best image quality and the shortest "lag time". However, if the major thing that you don't like about the P&S cameras is the long lag time, I would recommend that you seriously consider the Panasonic "bridge" cameras. They are very responsive. You might want to look at ....

FZ18: 28-504mm zoom. Weighs under a pound. I bought one for my son's family. The old camera he had was very slow. He is very happy with the speed of the FZ18 for family snapshots..

FZ28: Just announced and should be available in a few weeks. It's an updated FZ18. Since it's not on the market yet, one can't really say how good it will be..

FZ50: This is larger than the FZ18/28. It has a 35-420 zoom. It has better image quality than the FZ18 (and probably the FZ28?), but is missing the 28mm wideangle. The FZ30/50 is very popular among birders on the dpreview Panasonic forum. Visit the forum and take a look at some of the great action shots this camera can take. You should be aware that the FZ50 is about two years old.



Here's a shot I took with my son's FZ18 ... at full zoom (504mm) on an overcast morning..

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Good luck,.

- Simon.

Http://scpics.smugmug.com/..

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Kenneth -.

I'm sure you have a wonderful baby daughter and it's very frustrating when you miss shots of her expressions that touch your heart..

Yes, I DSLR will probably give you the shortest shorter lag and reduce the number of missed shots because of lag time. However, the problem you are describing is also a problem for DSLR users too. Facial expressions change very quickly ... literally in the blink of an eye. I have yet to meet a person that hasn't taken a shot of someone and then discovered after looking at the shot that the subject blinked and the camera caught the person with his/her eyes closed..

Here's a tip that will work with most cameras ... even ones that are a little slower than a DSLR: Try using burst mode. The camera takes multiple pics per second. There's a better chance that you'll get the expression you want. For most P&S cameras, this works if you don't use the flash. If your camera has a hotshoe, an external flash can possibly be used in burst mode too..

Another tip is to put the camera into manual focus and pre-focus on your daughter. (The Panasonic "bridge" cameras have this ability. Others probably do too.) If she's not crawling yet, this means that you don't need to half-press, just hit the shutter button and let the camera take a burst of pictures..

Good luck and enjoy your baby girl ... they grow up very fast,.

- Simon.

Http://scpics.smugmug.com/..

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Many thanks indeed..

Scphoto wrote:.

Kenneth -.

I'm sure you have a wonderful baby daughter and it's very frustratingwhen you miss shots of her expressions that touch your heart...

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I wanted to take the planes from work coming in to land with the rising sun..

Thats only a sap second to get the shot where you wnt it - no DSLR 10FPS so just snap away 1 chance.

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Then to show it's not a fluke 2 from 2.

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Panny FZ 50 maybe not DSLR fast but also not slow..

Comment #17

Thanks..

If I have known you before, then I would not need to buy theNikon D300 + 18-200mm/3.5-5.6 + 35mm/2 + Flash SB800!And still wondering if September Photokina would bring newf/1.4 primes! Already lusting after things that do not yet exist!.

Thanks for your input.So, The Panny would be much faster to capture a photothan a Sony then. (e.g. Sony DSC-H5 superzoom that I have.).

There seems to be a lot of interest about the Panny LX3.How does that compare to the superzoom Panny TZ or thesuperzoom Panny FZ?I read a lot on this website, but my interest was mainlyin Sony and Nikon. New to Panasonic..

Davoe wrote:.

I wanted to take the planes from work coming in to land with therising sun.Panny FZ 50 maybe not DSLR fast but also not slow..

Comment #18

Chato wrote:.

Ajay0612 wrote:.

KennethKwok wrote:.

I looked at the Half press -> full press lag, shutter lag...it does not seem that long.Is the electronic viewfinder the weak link?.

Yes. Especially in low light situations (typical indoors). Opticalviewfinder cameras are good for such purpose.Best Wishes, Ajayhttp://picasaweb.google.com/ajay0612Thanks for your time..

I've owned a dozen point and shoots. Doesn't seem to matter if the VFis Optical or Electronic - Always has a lot of lag, although thisvaries from camera to camera..

Had a Konica-Minolta z5 that had viewfinder lag. I could shoot it with my left eye open and catch perfect action as long as I had a reference for when to snap. Pre-focused and not using the EVF I would say it was probably faster than most DSLRs for shutter delay..

I've read a dozen explanation, really don't care, and sorry,therefore I can't repeat them... .

Went in one ear and out the other...  Try doing a search, theremust have been a hundred threads on this topic..

It's pretty simple. The time it takes to capture, process and display an image means you're always looking at an old image in an EVF or LCD. In lower light the FPS drops so it gets even worse..

Through the window in the wallCome streaming in on sunlight wingsA million bright ambassadors of morning..

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GossCTP wrote:.

It's pretty simple. The time it takes to capture, process and displayan image means you're always looking at an old image in an EVF orLCD. In lower light the FPS drops so it gets even worse..

Through the window in the wallCome streaming in on sunlight wingsA million bright ambassadors of morning.

I've used plenty of OVF cameras, can't say they were any faster than the EVF ones. Lag time varies quite a bit camera to camera, can't say that the viewfinder is The factor. On this thread some posters are talking about EVF cameras that are quite fast..

For all practical purposes, I haven't run into a dSLR that has any lag time. Of course, I like to shoot manual. AF is counter productive in heavy underbrush..

Dave..

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KennethKwok wrote:.

So, The Panny would be much faster to capture a photothan a Sony then. (e.g. Sony DSC-H5 superzoom that I have.).

Kenneth -.

I don't have any personal experience with the Sony H5 so I can't comment on it's speed. However, I did look up the dpreview evaluation of the H5 and they seem to think it's a relatively fast action camera. They say ....

"the H5 never feels slow in use (and we are talking about differences measured in 1/10ths of a second). Where it really matters - focus speed, shutter lag, shot-to-shot times (without flash) and so on - the H5 is near the top of the pack.".

Here's the complete section on H5 timing performance ....

Http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/sonyh5/page4.asp.

Looking at the H5 review and the timing data, I'm not sure you'll be happier with the Panasonic FZ series. Maybe the FZs are a little faster, but not that much faster in good light and at the low/mid portion of the zoom range..

It wasn't clear whether you have already bought the Nikon D300 or you are just considering it. If you have bought it, you purchased an excellent camera that is one of the best of it's kind. I already envy your choice. However, if you haven't already bought a DSLR, here are some suggestions:.

1. As I said in a my previous post, I think you can work on improving your technique ... we can ALL work on that!!! Using prefocus and burst mode might help..

2. If you think it's the camera, not you, then you might want to borrow, if possible, a friend's DSLR for a few hours, take some pictures of your daughter, and see if it makes a difference..

While the Panasonic FZ30 is a great camera for me, it may not be the right camera for you. Pick the camera that works for you. You should take others opinions into consideration, as you have already done in this thread. But don't worry if others have different needs/opinions..

Good luck ....

- Simon.

Http://scpics.smugmug.com/..

Comment #21

Thanks..

I have already bought the Nikon D300 with 18-200mm and 35mmand flash, around April 2008..

It just seems quite big. I feel I am part of D300+ Lens, rather than the camera.

Being a small part of me. The D300 was lightning fast. I always prefocus (half press shutter). When fast, I mean, I half press the shutter, I see the smiling face,and I full press the shutter. The Sony DSC-H5 often fails me. The Nikon D300is always successful..

Was reading the nice responses, and was wondering if the Point andshoot has advanced so much that lag was not an issue. I truly agree thatthe DPReview published time seems very fast for even the Sony DSC-H5,which would not explain why I cannot catch the moment with SonyDSC-H5, but success with Nikon D300..

I think this is some academic discussion as well, as I want to know whythe point and shoot fail to capture the moment. Is it photographer (me)fault or can I blame the point and shoot camera? But I managed with theNikon D300..

Impressed by the double photo of the airplane that proves it's not a by-chancephoto. And the cyclist's photos. Thanks a lot..

Hmm... thanks for all the responses.I must confess I am still not 100% clear..

I probably would hang on to the D300 for as long as I can, until it becomes"obsolete"..

Scphoto wrote:.

Looking at the H5 review and the timing data, I'm not sure you'll behappier with the Panasonic FZ series. Maybe the FZs are a littlefaster, but not that much faster in good light and at the low/midportion of the zoom range..

It wasn't clear whether you have already bought the Nikon D300 or youare just considering it...

Comment #22

KennethKwok wrote:.

So, my question is, has anyone had luck with taking photos ofmoving young babies with point and shoot?I prefer the light weight and small size of compact cameras. I am nota hard core photographer. I take the camera along with my themepark (Ocean Park, Hong Kong) trip with my family,and not going there specifically to take photographs as truephotographerslike you kind people..

Kenneth,.

I have four children, currently age 5-16, and through most of their lives (all of the lives of the younger two), I've used digital P&S cameras for capturing all of those precious moments, and I'd have to say that by my standards I've been 100% successful. Have I missed a few shots? Sure. Could I have caught those shots with any other camera (ie, DSLR)? Probably not..

I did own and use a DSLR as my only camera for a little over a year. The quality of my candid family photos really neither improved nor worsened. However, I think I missed more shots because of not having the right lens on when I pulled it out of the bag for an impromptu shot or the mirror slap making too much nose so everyone in the room knew I was taking the picture, etc..

For what I call "happy snaps", my Panasonic FZ50 (the camera I bought to replace my DSLR) is difficult to beat. The one-lens zoom range of 35-420mm covers everything from intimate portraits to first goal scored at the pee-wee soccer game. The hi-res widescreen video option is nice to have, too something a DSLR can't go. I have to say that the biggest thing that I'm glad to be without when it comes to a DSLR is MIRROR SLAP! I must've been a real annoyance during that year of DSLR ownership, shooting happy-snaps at the kids' plays, concerts, games, matches, parties, etc. Several fellow parents at my kids' school actually made a comment at the first event where I was shooting with the Panasonic FZ50 because they were so used to hearing my noisy camera (DSLR)..

I think you may just have a poorly designed camera, or maybe it's in a mode that isn't allowing you to shoot as fast as you could be? Someone on the Sony P&S forum may be able to better help you with that. An entry level DSLR will likely not help you with this problem, because since at least some of the problem is focus confirmation, inexpensive lenses and bodies are not going to give you much of a solution for that. Do you really need to buy an expensive DSLR body with really nice, fast, and also expensive lenses just get "happy snaps" of your child? I don't think so. I suspect you may need a different camera for these types of pictures, but I don't think that a DSLR is necessary, and like I mentioned above it may cause other problems that prevent you from getting your desired shots..

ChrisEffzeeone now has a Effzeefifty!(Gear in profile)..

Comment #23

If using prefocus, the lag time of many digicams isn't substantially different from other cameras. Of course there are some slower ones and some faster ones. I'm not sure here but at Imaging Resource, they time the lagtimes for their reviews..

Electronic viewfinders do induce a delay. They do have to read from the sensor, run it to the processor and scan back to the finder/lcd screen..

The other delay is your own reaction time, you're not seeing quite real time and the usual physiological reaction time comes into play, then you release the shutter...

Comment #24

Craig Gillette wrote:.

If using prefocus, the lag time of many digicams isn't substantiallydifferent from other cameras. Of course there are some slower onesand some faster ones. I'm not sure here but at Imaging Resource,they time the lagtimes for their reviews..

Electronic viewfinders do induce a delay. They do have to read fromthe sensor, run it to the processor and scan back to the finder/lcdscreen..

The other delay is your own reaction time, you're not seeing quitereal time and the usual physiological reaction time comes into play,then you release the shutter..

Since I used to take action shots by pre-focusing the camera, sure there was no lag time. Indeed I got rather good at it, if I knew in advance the speed and direction of the target..

But I really don't think that's the question. Today (I shoot manual) I can turn my camera (D2x) on and take the shot. There is no lag time, or rather none that I can measure. Nor do I need to know anything about the target except that it's there..

Dave..

Comment #25

Thanks Chris,.

I thought of giving up asking, "Is P&S so slow?"But I never know, if I never asked.What you said is just the answer I want to hear..

It's pride and joy to own the Nikon SemiProfessional DSLRD300 + Lens, but it's so bulky. And I keep wanting "justanother lens" (e.g. the Photokina Sep 2008 is rumouredto bring newer Nikon fast f/1.4 AF-S primes) Your answercertainly stop my temptation..

I am so happy to hear that you capture great momentswith the Panasonic FZ. I would ask at the Sony Forum aswell..

Since I've already paid handsomely for the Nikon DSLR, Iwould use it at home. If we go on holiday, I would lookfor a "Point and Shoot", and to enjoy. In Hong Kong, Idon't have a car, and if holiday-ing overseas, I wouldmost likely be in packaged tour groups. A "Point and Shoot"should let my family know that I care more about them,then about the Nikon DSLR. I am sure Chris understandswith family of four children..

I also read the (not here yet) Panasonic LX3 which resistedall temptations and put in a larger sensor, and ONLY putin 10 MegaPixels. That sounds like a good thing..

Also, Thom Hogan is of the idea that there will soon be APS(same sensor size as my Nikon DSLR) compacts. Over inNikon, his views are highly valued..

Since I am in no rush, I might wait for that.You made my day. DSLR is not the only hope..

Kenneth.

Effzeeone wrote:.

I have four children, currently age 5-16, and through most of theirlives (all of the lives of the younger two), I've used digital P&Scameras for capturing all of those precious moments, and I'd have tosay that by my standards I've been 100% successful. Have I missed afew shots? Sure. Could I have caught those shots with any othercamera (ie, DSLR)? Probably not...

Comment #26

"When using point and shoot, Half press to focus, then I saw aninteresting expression of pets or babies, pressthe shutter, and the something would have moved already.".

Except the OP is using an evf point and shoot, there's delay to the finder, delay to decide he likes the image, delay to press the shutter. One could easily have stacked up close to or more than .5 second..

Predictable, repeating subjects ar certainly easier to capture. But trying to capture something like a soccer PK isn't. If you wait until you see the first motions in the finder, it's pretty much physically impossible to catch the ball. Most of the goalies don't either...

Comment #27

Wow, belated congrats on the baby girl!  And yes, they move faster than what cameras can sometimes capture!.

I have been using Lumix FZ7 before I moved to DSLR. What I would usually do is go for faster shutter speed, say, 1/500, with Flash always on, when taking photos of moving people/objects. I had been able to take photos of moving roller coasters and other Magic Mountain rides, especially outdoors. Indoors, with the Flash on, images come out ok as well, even when people are moving. And the FZ7 is a 3-4 year old technology, so am sure there are better cameras by today's standards. Does my DSLR do a better job? Yes, but only if I use image-stabilized lens (IS) for my Canon 400D.



KennethKwok wrote:.

Or, I could refine my question..

(1) Do you think that point and shoot camerasare slow?.

(2) Do you think that DSLR are fast?(I certainly do).

(3)Why do you think the point and shoot areso slow?.

If I know the answer to (3), then I can tryto think of ways to get by it..

Noogy..

Comment #28

Dear Craig,.

As no problems with optical viewfinder DSLR (Nikon D300),thus my "see" and "press" mechanism is intact,are you saying that it's mostly the electronic viewfindercausing the delay?.

Craig Gillette wrote:.

"When using point and shoot, Half press to focus, then I saw aninteresting expression of pets or babies, pressthe shutter, and the something would have moved already.".

Except the OP is using an evf point and shoot, there's delay to thefinder, delay to decide he likes the image, delay to press theshutter. One could easily have stacked up close to or more than .5second..

Predictable, repeating subjects ar certainly easier to capture. Buttrying to capture something like a soccer PK isn't. If you waituntil you see the first motions in the finder, it's pretty muchphysically impossible to catch the ball. Most of the goalies don'teither...

Comment #29

What you have to do is eliminate the variables until you only have one different factor. If camera prefocus shutter lag speeds are close enough and using the same or similar subjects, the the finder difference would be the only difference..

I found smoothly moving subjects fairly easy to deal with with an evf, but if they weren't moving smoothly, much harder. It's also possible on some types of subjects to work with both eyes open and track visually. The camera would maintain focus and the extra visual field made it somewhat easier to follow...

Comment #30

Most point and shoots are have fast auto focus in good light. It is purely the fault of CCD-contrast type focusing systems used on these cameras - small CCDs are noisy in low light so how does the processor find lines or points of contrast when all is mush? DSLRs use a different system located within the pentaprism or mirror area..

It has nothing to do with the EVF itself but rather the lack of a system that is necessary when a camera has an OVF..

Most compacts also have very fast 'half-press' shutter lag - look at the times for Fuji, Sony and Panasonic on Imaging Resource. DSLRs lag behind because of the time required to flip the mirror..

Now if my Fuji S6500 only had a real (mechanically coupled) focus ring on the lens then I would not have to put up with slow focusing in low light..

Hope this clears up some misconceptions..

Cheers..

Comment #31

If it's any consolation, I will probably own another DSLR within two or so years. So far, the Olympus E-520 is high in the running, but that's only because of my familiarity with FourThirds systems. Nikon is also in the running. I will be looking for predominately a one-lens solution, but may go two-lens..

Regardless, I will still keep my Panasonic FZ50, because it's just sooooooo handy and good for tourista/family happy-snap type events..

If I already had a Nikon DSLR, I wouldn't get rid of it either. I may not invest in it that much further, but I wouldn't get rid of it..

Get your P&S problem solved, and you'll be in a perfect world!.

Good luck and get great pictures!.

ChrisEffzeeone now has a Effzeefifty!(Gear in profile)..

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