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We are looking to upgrade from our Canon Powershot S30. We have been looking at the super zooms and think that they will satisfy most of our needs. We traded in our SLR and lenses for the S30 several years ago and don't want to go back to carrying several lenses around (because we seldom really made proper use of them)..

Our primary use of the camera will be for family and personal photo. However my wife will use it for work from time to time. The work aspect will be mostly for the company newsletter and annual reports and the largest photo needed will likely be 8x10..

The limitations of the S30 have been: no wide angle, limited flash (lots of red eye) and not enough zoom. We would like to have RAW for the work photos (and have used it with the S30)..

We wonder how much more range we would get with the super zoom flashes and whether it will help with the red eye (and does the red eye correction really work)? How effective will these cameras be in taking indoor photos with flash or higher ISO and no flash?.

We are inclining toward the FZ18 (which is being sold off now). We are atracted to the 570UZ because of the external flash capability but put off by the DP Review that indicates that it is harder to use than the FZ18 and that RAW seems poorer on it. The P80 since it lacks RAW and external flash is less likely for us, but we were looking at it as well..

I will normally use it for p&s. My wife has more camera experience and will use some of the manual and advanced features. She is capable in Photoshop.

Any thoughts that will help us make the next step will be welcome...

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Farm boy wrote:.

We are looking to upgrade from our Canon Powershot S30. We have beenlooking at the super zooms and think that they will satisfy most ofour needs. We traded in our SLR and lenses for the S30 several yearsago and don't want to go back to carrying several lenses around(because we seldom really made proper use of them)..

Our primary use of the camera will be for family and personal photo.However my wife will use it for work from time to time. The workaspect will be mostly for the company newsletter and annual reportsand the largest photo needed will likely be 8x10..

The limitations of the S30 have been: no wide angle, limited flash(lots of red eye) and not enough zoom. We would like to have RAW forthe work photos (and have used it with the S30)..

We wonder how much more range we would get with the super zoomflashes and whether it will help with the red eye (and does the redeye correction really work)? How effective will these cameras be intaking indoor photos with flash or higher ISO and no flash?.

We are inclining toward the FZ18 (which is being sold off now). Weare atracted to the 570UZ because of the external flash capabilitybut put off by the DP Review that indicates that it is harder to usethan the FZ18 and that RAW seems poorer on it. The P80 since it lacksRAW and external flash is less likely for us, but we were looking atit as well..

I will normally use it for p&s. My wife has more camera experienceand will use some of the manual and advanced features. She is capablein Photoshop.

Any thoughts that will help us make the next step will be welcome..

All the "ultra-zooms" offer more controls than the average P&S but they are not as good as a dSLR for indoor pics without flash. I think Canon is the better choice for image picture quality and Canon offers more manual features (using" CHDK" programs on the SD card) such as.

Shutter speeds from 1/33,000 to over 1 minute, smaller aperture to f11, RAW mode, unlimited time-lapse interval (intervalometers), unlimited bracketing, scripts for using the camera as a motion detector, battery operated remote shutter release, etc. - check it out -.

Http://chdk.wikia.com/wiki/CHDK_in_Brief.

The Canon S5 has a flash hot shoe with extra flash options, and potential external flash) plus there are many adapters for different lenses,.

And many say the video is much better !.

Http://www.flickr.com/photos/w-photos/full resolution Canon S5 video http://www.filefactory.com/file/8e57cf..

Comment #1

We could not fnd a Canon with wide angle wich is why we did not consider it...

Comment #2

Farm boy wrote:.

We could not fnd a Canon with wide angle wich is why we did notconsider it..

Right, but check the actual photos on a site such as Flickr,.

(don't get too excited about that "wide" angle but if that is your special requirement you can get many types and manufacturers of wide angle lens to fit on the Canon S5 and in different price ranges and quality).

Http://www.flickr.com/photos/w-photos/full resolution Canon S5 video http://www.filefactory.com/file/8e57cf..

Comment #3

The FZ18 was laready the leader in that size ultra zoom. however it would be worth your wait for the fz 28 as I believe it has some in camera red eye removal..

Comment #4

Davoe wrote:.

The FZ18 was laready the leader in that size ultra zoom. however itwould be worth your wait for the fz 28 as I believe it has some incamera red eye removal.

Check out the "leader" for ultra zooms on any photo hosting site, e.g. Flickr.com !.

But if you don't care about manual controls and aren't particularly discriminating with pic quality then any ultra-zoom will probably suffice (for red or blue eyes).

Http://chdk.wikia.com/wiki/CHDK_in_Brief.

Http://www.flickr.com/photos/w-photos/full resolution Canon S5 video http://www.filefactory.com/file/8e57cf..

Comment #5

Hi,.

What do you mean by "sold off" please for FZ 18. I have seen an earlier comment on this forum where they mentioned that FZ 18s are available for 199 dollars. Anyone know where it is sold at this price?.

Thanks..

Comment #6

Have you considered the Panasonic TZ4 or TZ5?.

10x zoom and goes up to 15x zoom at around 3MP. IQ is no worse than with any of the superzooms I'd argue - and it's much smaller/less likely to attract attention from snotty security people...

Comment #7

Bw100 wrote:.

Davoe wrote:.

The FZ18 was laready the leader in that size ultra zoom. however itwould be worth your wait for the fz 28 as I believe it has some incamera red eye removal.

Check out the "leader" for ultra zooms on any photo hosting site,e.g. Flickr.com !but if you don't care about manual controls and aren't particularlydiscriminating with pic quality then any ultra-zoom will probablysuffice (for red or blue eyes).

Http://chdk.wikia.com/wiki/CHDK_in_Brief.

Http://www.flickr.com/photos/w-photos/full resolution Canon S5 video http://www.filefactory.com/file/8e57cf.

Is it summer break or whatever it's called in America?? - theres a good reason kids are meant to be in school..

Comment #8

Davoe wrote:.

Bw100 wrote:.

Davoe wrote:.

The FZ18 was laready the leader in that size ultra zoom. however itwould be worth your wait for the fz 28 as I believe it has some incamera red eye removal.

Check out the "leader" for ultra zooms on any photo hosting site,e.g. Flickr.com !but if you don't care about manual controls and aren't particularlydiscriminating with pic quality then any ultra-zoom will probablysuffice (for red or blue eyes).

Http://chdk.wikia.com/wiki/CHDK_in_Brief.

Is it summer break or whatever it's called in America??.

No summer break? ? .

Canon S5 extended controls -.

Shutter speeds from 1/33,000 to over 1 minute, smaller aperture to f11, RAW mode, unlimited time-lapse interval (intervalometers), unlimited bracketing, scripts for using the camera as a motion detector, battery operated remote shutter release, etc. - check it out -.

Http://chdk.wikia.com/wiki/CHDK_in_Brief.

The Canon S5 has a flash hot shoe with extra flash options, ( external flash) plus there are many adapters for different lenses,.

And many say the video is much better !.

Http://www.flickr.com/photos/w-photos/full resolution Canon S5 video http://www.filefactory.com/file/8e57cf..

Comment #9

You might want to consider the Sony DSC-H50..

Chad..

Comment #10

I have 4 different kinds of "bridge" cameras.Sony, Fuji, Canon, and the FZ18.I get very good results from the FZ18, with it's 18x spread.It's also very good in low light.. IMHO.

Keep on shooting memories.....

Comment #11

I haven't seen it for $199. Here in Vacouver it was selling for $549 this spring and is now selling for $349 (I assume because of the FZ28). At $199 I would have less hesitation...

Comment #12

Bw100 wrote:.

All the "ultra-zooms" offer more controls than the average P&S butthey are not as good as a dSLR for indoor pics without flash. Ithink Canon is the better choice for image picture quality and Canonoffers more manual features (using" CHDK" programs on the SD card)such asshutter speeds from 1/33,000 to over 1 minute, smaller aperture tof11, RAW mode, unlimited time-lapse interval (intervalometers),unlimited bracketing, scripts for using the camera as a motiondetector, battery operated remote shutter release, etc. - check itout -.

Http://chdk.wikia.com/wiki/CHDK_in_Brief.

The Canon S5 has a flash hot shoe with extra flash options, andpotential external flash) plus there are many adapters for differentlenses,.

And many say the video is much better !.

Http://www.flickr.com/photos/w-photos/full resolution Canon S5 video http://www.filefactory.com/file/8e57cf.

Thanks for the input. You seem very happy with the S5 and using CHDK it would meet most of our guidelines. However wide angle is still a big priority for my wife. I am not sure if the hassle and the expense of addon lenses are out weighed by the advantages...

Comment #13

I chose the fz18 over the canon (and others) for several reasons including the wide angle, zoom, and it has one rechargeable battery (while the canon s5 uses 4 AA)..

I also chose the fz18 over several of the others because I prefer using a SD card..

Once you decide what you want or prefer, I suggest using the side-by-side in the buying guide to compare the cameras. Then definitely try to find them to hold in your hand and try out the menus, etc..

I've enjoyed the fz18. It did take some practice and trial and error to find the best settings for the results I was looking for. But it has been well worth the time...

Comment #14

Thanks for the insight. I have done the side by side comparison and we have handled the 570UZ, FZ18 and P80. I really like the FZ18 but my wife is attracted to the external flash on the 570UZ. She wants to make sure she can get good shots indoors at social events. What is your experience with the FZ18 indoors? Do you regret not being able to use an external flash?..

Comment #15

I have limited experience indoors, but I wouldn't go above 200-400 ISO with what I know so far. The first pictures indoors were a bit grainy. Now I try to light up the room as much as possible before taking pictures. I'm sure if I had more expertise with adjusting aperature and shutter speed my indoor shots would come out better. I have to admit my indoor pictures are getting better after taking more control of the camera and lowering the ISO in the program mode..

I'd check out the Panasonic forum and ask the question about indoor pictures and flash. There are some real veterans there who would be able to give you better advice. One thing that was pointed out to me is that when you go to a professional photographer, they have lighting galore. We expect the same results and neglect that part..

Maybe an external flash is what you need. I do wish the Panny the hot shoe..

I opted against the Olympus 560UZ because it takes the 4 AA and the tiny little memory card (as opposed to the SD). The 570UZ was out of my price range. I have a friend who has the Olympus 560UZ and loves it (except for the batteries and card). I think either way you'd be happy..

Also, FYI I bought my camera online from BH Photo Video and got the SageMax protection plan. I was very happy with the service and reputation...

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