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I have done quite a bit of research and given my budget, have whittled down my options to the following 3 packages. I would mostly be bringing my gear with me when I am on travel and would take a mix of landscapes, buildings, people with landmarks behind them, etc. (just about anything) I am not sure how important the 18-28mm range is. I know that wide angle is good for landscape photography but how bad is a 28mm? Also, I am not sure when 135mm would not be sufficient and one would need to go all the way up to 200mm. Last but not least, I am not sure how convenient/inconvenient it would be to change lenses while on travel. I understand that the D60 and 40D are very different cameras but I am willing to look at both of them.

Thanks in advance!.

1. Nikon D60 with 18-55mm VR and 55-200mm VR ~$850.

2. Canon EOS 40D with 28-135mm IS ~$1150.

3. Nikon D60 with 18-200mm VR ~$1300..

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I'd prefer 3 rather than 1. That would be a more convenient arrangement for travel imo. I didn't think you could get a d60 without the kit lenses though..

For landscapes I think you'r miss the 18-27mm on the Canon package you've listed...

Comment #1

None of the above. I'd get a Nikon D80 with the 18-135 for around a 1000. Its much better than the D60, and I prefer Nikon over Canon.I bought my D80 on 12-1-2007!..

Comment #2

The 28-135 lens is not wide enough for many types of photographic situations. Keep in mind that with Canon's 1.6X crop factor, the 28mm is the equivalent of a 45mm in 35mm terms..

If money is a consideration or you don't mind changing lenses, the first combo should be a good one for you. Otherwise, the 18-200 is a very useful lens, one which I use for most situations, as I hate changing lenses..

Regards,Jeffhttp://www.jhudson.zenfolio.com..

Comment #3

You may find that the 18-27mm may limit some of your landscapes (although some do landscapes with much longer lenses than 28mm). The 40D and D60 aren't really comparable cameras from a feature, size or speed perspective not to mention the different "control" philosophies between entry and mid level DSLR's. You really should see if you can try both of them out (with charged batteries) and try making different adjustments (aperatures, ISO, shutter speed etc) and determine which works better for you for the time being. If you did want to look at a comparable camera to the D60 from Canon, you should look either at the XTi or XSi. While there still are some differences, they are much closer..

Both cameras will take great pictures and I suspect that all the lenses will meet your initial needs. Even a 10 times zoom like the 18-200 should provide reasonable results as a starting lense on the nikon. If you get more into landscape photography you may want to start using prime lenses - many will require manual focusing on the nikon but then again, you may have moved onto a different body by then..

I don't think you will be dissappointed in either camera from an IQ perspective but you really should try them out. I like cameras closer to the size of the 40D as I think the weight helps me steady the camera plus I can get a better hold of it than the smaller bodies. I have used a friends D40 and it is a very capable unit but it just isn't something that I am comfortable with...you may feel differently..

Jflws wrote:.

I have done quite a bit of research and given my budget, havewhittled down my options to the following 3 packages. I would mostlybe bringing my gear with me when I am on travel and would take a mixof landscapes, buildings, people with landmarks behind them, etc.(just about anything) I am not sure how important the 18-28mm rangeis. I know that wide angle is good for landscape photography but howbad is a 28mm? Also, I am not sure when 135mm would not be sufficientand one would need to go all the way up to 200mm. Last but not least,I am not sure how convenient/inconvenient it would be to changelenses while on travel. I understand that the D60 and 40D are verydifferent cameras but I am willing to look at both of them. Myoptions are as below, would be most grateful if people on this forumwould be able to help me out.



1. Nikon D60 with 18-55mm VR and 55-200mm VR ~$850.

2. Canon EOS 40D with 28-135mm IS ~$1150.

3. Nikon D60 with 18-200mm VR ~$1300..

Comment #4

Thanks guys for all the helpful comments so far!.

Paith: Why do you prefer Nikon over Canon?.

Miatmich: You said 28-135mm lens is not wide enough for most photographic situations. Hmm, would the 18-55mm lens suffice for most photographic situations? Is the 18-55mm range or the 55-200mm range more important? Again, I am a general shooter (in the sense that I am being serious and going for nice photographs but general in the sense that I shoot anything). Of course, it would be best to have everything but if not, which is more important?.

Also, how much time does it take to actually change lenses? I am mainly concerned about missing shots. Also, sometimes when one is tired on travel, there might be a certain amount of "inertia"..

ShawnCo: What do you mean by "different control philosophies between entry and mid level DSLR's"? The Canons seem to be a lot heavier than the Nikons. (e.g. to compare similar ones, XTi is so much heavier than D40) Some people tell me it is because of build quality difference. Is this really that important? Either way if you drop the camera, it is going to be damaged right? And most of us would not be dropping a camera too? Does the weight make you "lazy" to take it with you sometimes and miss shots?..

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Paith wrote:.

None of the above. I'd get a Nikon D80 with the 18-135 for around a1000. Its much better than the D60, and I prefer Nikon over Canon.I bought my D80 on 12-1-2007!.

Nice camera but not sure it's best for someone as a first DSLR - the weight alone would put many off..

The D40/D60 would be a better choice for someone starting out IMHO..

Canon EOS 450D + EF-S 10-22mm + EF-S 55-250 + EF-S 18-55 IS + Sigma 30mm/f 1.4Sigma DP1, Fuji F31fd and Panasonic TZ5..

Comment #6

Jflws wrote:.

Miatmich: You said 28-135mm lens is not wide enough for mostphotographic situations. Hmm, would the 18-55mm lens suffice formost photographic situations? Is the 18-55mm range or the 55-200mmrange more important?.

The 18-55 range is far more important IMHO. A telephoto lens is handy but will be used far less unless you are shooting a lot of sporting events/wildlife. I would start with an 18-55 and see how you go with that - can always buy a telephoto later on..

Also, how much time does it take to actually change lenses? I ammainly concerned about missing shots. Also, sometimes when one istired on travel, there might be a certain amount of "inertia"..

This is one issue I was concerned about 2 months ago when buying my first DSLR. Its actually very easy, takes a few seconds at most. Main issue is fiddling with the lens caps as these must be placed on the lens/camera as soon as you take a lens off to protect against dust..

ShawnCo: What do you mean by "different control philosophies betweenentry and mid level DSLR's"? The Canons seem to be a lot heavierthan the Nikons. (e.g. to compare similar ones, XTi is so muchheavier than D40) Some people tell me it is because of build qualitydifference. Is this really that important? Either way if you dropthe camera, it is going to be damaged right? And most of us wouldnot be dropping a camera too? Does the weight make you "lazy" totake it with you sometimes and miss shots?.

The Canon 450D is approx the same weight as the Nikon D60 so I don't think there is a huge difference with current models. Weight is important if travelling around a lot so it's a good thing to consider - as you say if it feels like a burden you'll end up leaving it at home more often than not..

Canon EOS 450D + EF-S 10-22mm + EF-S 55-250 + EF-S 18-55 IS + Sigma 30mm/f 1.4Sigma DP1, Fuji F31fd and Panasonic TZ5..

Comment #7

Here's my answers to those questions - I'm not answering for those other guys but this is my rather less than expert opinion..

Jflws wrote:.

Thanks guys for all the helpful comments so far!.

Paith: Why do you prefer Nikon over Canon?.

I am a former Canon shooter turned Nikon guy. Why?? I went from 350D to 30D because I didn't like the cheap plastic or the too small hand-grip on the 350D. Unfortunately there are many things I also didn't like about the 30D, like the grainy dim viewfinder and IMHO awful control layout and ergonomics. One play with a Nikon D200 and my 30D looks like a toy, one with far fewer bells and whistles...

Miatmich: You said 28-135mm lens is not wide enough for mostphotographic situations. Hmm, would the 18-55mm lens suffice formost photographic situations? Is the 18-55mm range or the 55-200mmrange more important? Again, I am a general shooter (in the sensethat I am being serious and going for nice photographs but general inthe sense that I shoot anything). Of course, it would be best tohave everything but if not, which is more important.

To me, even 18mm is nowhere near wide enough when fitted to any of those cameras. I'm personally not much into midrange zooms like the 18-55 - they're pretty boring, not going very wide or very long. I'd much much rather get a decent wide zoom like the Canon 10-22, which will get you WIDE!!!! Also a good telephoto like the 70-200 f/4 L, which is worth only a little more than the good-but-not-as-good 70-300 IS USM. To fill the gap in the middle, I'd get a 50mm prime, but you might like a midrange zoom... In any event, I'd be looking at second hand as an option - if you go to someone like KEH.COM you can get some decent bargains on real good stuff. I've vowed to not buy new unless I absolutely have to! Got my eye on a Nikon 80-200 f/2.8 AF-S which is about a grand, landed here in NZ that's about half the price of a brand new 70-200 VR.

Also, how much time does it take to actually change lenses? I ammainly concerned about missing shots. Also, sometimes when one istired on travel, there might be a certain amount of "inertia"..

Not long!! Press, turn, remove, then insert new lens and turn. Add a few moments to remove / reinsert caps. Problem is, you have to carry them both around with you.

ShawnCo: What do you mean by "different control philosophies betweenentry and mid level DSLR's"? The Canons seem to be a lot heavierthan the Nikons. (e.g. to compare similar ones, XTi is so muchheavier than D40) Some people tell me it is because of build qualitydifference. Is this really that important? Either way if you dropthe camera, it is going to be damaged right? And most of us wouldnot be dropping a camera too? Does the weight make you "lazy" totake it with you sometimes and miss shots?.

Different control philosophies.. I guess he's talking about the fact that on the cheaper DSLRs a lot of things you want to change, like autofocus, continuous shooting, white balance etc, are accessed by pressing one of the buttons on the back which takes you to a menu. You then look at the LCD, adjust with up/down buttons, then press OK. On a higher end body, you hold down a button and while looking through the viewfinder, spin one of the control wheels to change the setting. Much faster, easier and less annoying!!!.

I find there's a big difference between Canon and Nikon on this respect - on the Canon 30D you have 3 buttons that have 2 functions each, and you need to remember which wheel adjusts which function, whereas on the Nikon D200 and similar, you have separate controls for each function - I find it easier personally..

Regarding weight, you should pick up my Nikon F5 - now that's got a decent weight to it!!! The D40 is a very small camera, doesn't surprise me that it's quite light. I personally prefer a heavy camera, the heavier the better - like my F5, which is a heavy, solid, awesome machine...

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Jflws wrote:.

Miatmich: You said 28-135mm lens is not wide enough for mostphotographic situations. Hmm, would the 18-55mm lens suffice formost photographic situations? Is the 18-55mm range or the 55-200mmrange more important? Again, I am a general shooter (in the sensethat I am being serious and going for nice photographs but general inthe sense that I shoot anything). Of course, it would be best tohave everything but if not, which is more important?.

Starting at 18mm is very useful. Since you are just starting out and unsure of what focal lengths would work for you- going to 200mm would provide you with great coverage on a trip..

Also, how much time does it take to actually change lenses? I ammainly concerned about missing shots. Also, sometimes when one istired on travel, there might be a certain amount of "inertia"..

Changing lenses is not that taxing that you will have an inertia problem. The interia will kick in though from the standpoint of do you want to deal with the bulk of multiple lenses. Changing lenses also introduces dust to the sensor so you would want to be careful of the conditions when you change lenses...

Comment #9

The wider end is more important when travelling. Unless you are shooting wildlife..

I traveled for most of a month and used a Sigma 17-70 and Zenitar 16 (12mm field of view) on my Pentax DS. I was mostly using the shorter end of my range. Do not get enamored with big lenses, when it usually ends up being the shorter range that you need..

Also, look at the K200D. It is more like the 40D at a price more like the D60. AS is built in but it does have a lower frame rate than the 40D. Unless you are shooting sports, it will not be an issue. Using AA batteries is nice. Get a multi voltage AA charger and at least 2 sets of batteries..

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Jflws wrote:.

Thanks guys for all the helpful comments so far!.

Paith: Why do you prefer Nikon over Canon?.

Personally, I prefer Sony over either ... point being, ask anyone, you get an opinion. None are right or wrong..

Miatmich: You said 28-135mm lens is not wide enough for mostphotographic situations. Hmm, would the 18-55mm lens suffice formost photographic situations? Is the 18-55mm range or the 55-200mmrange more important?.

Check out:http://www.tamron.com/...es/learning_center/tools/focal-length-comparison.php.

On APS-C, 18mm is wide angle, but not terribly wide. And around 65mm gets you to "portrait range" ... a bit longer is better for candids. An 18-55 is adequate, and perfectly fine on a budget, but you may wish to shoot wider, and you may frequently want to change lenses..

Changing lenses can be done quickly, particularly if carrying a pair of compact lenses such that the one not on the camera is accessible. But it's a nuisance. After years of photography as a hobby, I'm at the point where I either shoot slow with a backpack full of gear, happily taking time to setup a tripod, pick the right lens, etc. or I like to shoot primarily with one lens, switching occasionally to take many pictures with another lens (like shooting all day with a zoom, then switching to a fast prime in the evening, or shooting kids with a midrange zoom until they go out on a field to play, then switching to a tele zoom). On vacation, I'll carry a tele zoom with me if going to the zoo on a given day, but want to carry one lens only most of the time (and frequently avoid the DSLR altogether in favor of my digicam)..

Again, I am a general shooter (in the sense.

That I am being serious and going for nice photographs but general inthe sense that I shoot anything). Of course, it would be best tohave everything but if not, which is more important?.

Ideally, 16mm at the wide end, and up toward 135mm at the tele end, but I'll happily sacrifice there in favor of lens speed, compactness, price..

Good (but pricey) options in this range are:Sony CZ 16-80Sony 16-105Nikon 16-85 VROlympus 12-60.

All of those are stabilized (assuming you get a stabilized Oly camera). Canon would need a 15-xx because of the 1.6X crop..

All are good lenses, the Sony 16-105 being maybe the weakest, but also the longest so there's a tradeoff in range v. quality..

1. Nikon D60 with 18-55mm VR and 55-200mm VR ~$850.

2. Canon EOS 40D with 28-135mm IS ~$1150.

3. Nikon D60 with 18-200mm VR ~$1300.

I'd go for D60 with 16-85VR or look at Sony or Oly offerings. With Sony or Nikon, you could still carry a compact 55-200, but you won't need to switch to it so frequently..

- DennisGallery at http://kingofthebeasts.smugmug.com..

Comment #11

I would agree with you. The D80 and the 18-135 makes images that pop. Good choice. The D80 also has a real glass pentaprism and a bright beautiful viewfinder. The 18-135 is extremely sharp, as well..

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Cheers, Craig..

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Jflws wrote:.

I have done quite a bit of research and given my budget, havewhittled down my options to the following 3 packages. I would mostlybe bringing my gear with me when I am on travel and would take a mixof landscapes, buildings, people with landmarks behind them, etc.(just about anything) I am not sure how important the 18-28mm rangeis. I know that wide angle is good for landscape photography but howbad is a 28mm? Also, I am not sure when 135mm would not be sufficientand one would need to go all the way up to 200mm. Last but not least,I am not sure how convenient/inconvenient it would be to changelenses while on travel. I understand that the D60 and 40D are verydifferent cameras but I am willing to look at both of them. Myoptions are as below, would be most grateful if people on this forumwould be able to help me out.



1. Nikon D60 with 18-55mm VR and 55-200mm VR ~$850.

2. Canon EOS 40D with 28-135mm IS ~$1150.

3. Nikon D60 with 18-200mm VR ~$1300.

#2. The 40D is MUCH more camera than the D60..

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