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What if my camera does not have IS/ VR?
I think of getting a camera without IS/ VR because of budget concern. I am not sure how would affect the pictures later. Please comments...

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You can always use a tripod or monopod.Tim.

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Comment #1

Virtually no effect so long as you don't mind shooting with a high ISO. And some of the VR systems will boost ISO anyways..

Kelly Cook..

Comment #2

ZippyZX3 wrote:.

You can always use a tripod or monopod.Tim.

Good answer..

Also bear in mind that IS / VR does not help with subject movement. For example, low-light shots of a moving subject. For that, set a higher ISO (and wide lens aperture) or maybe use flash if appropriate.Regards,Peter..

Comment #3

Myvysa wrote:.

I think of getting a camera without IS/ VR because of budget concern.I am not sure how would affect the pictures later. Please comments..

After reading the comments already posted, I am left in awe and question how did we ever manage to take photos prior to stabilization ???.

Seems like it can't be done..

The fact is we DID. Even today, if you have a Canon or Nikon, not all lenses are stabilized..

Don't get me wrong, I LOVE stabilization, and won't buy a camera (or lens) without it, but only because I love being creative with long exposures, thus it has been important to me. BUT .... most amateurs should carefully follow the 1/focal-length rule anyway..

Considering that some types of photography are not even helped by stabilization, perfectly fine photos can be imaged without it..

Thanks for reading .... JoePhoto.

( Do You Ever STOP to THINK and FORGET to START Again ??? )..

Comment #4

It should affect the way you take a picture not how it looks..

Chris Elliott.

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Comment #5

Myvysa wrote:.

I think of getting a camera without IS/ VR because of budget concern.I am not sure how would affect the pictures later. Please comments..

It doesn't affect the pix. It affects your "standing" in the community of amateur photographers: You will be 2nd clsss, like me. .

And as Chris said, it only affects HOW you are required to take SOME of your pix (if you care about IQ enough to learn and adapt)..

Charlie DavisNikon 5700, Sony R1, Nikon D300HomePage: http://www.1derful.infoBridge Blog: http://www.here-ugo.com/BridgeBlog/'Experience: Discovering that a claw hammer will bend nails.Epiphany: Discovering that a claw hammer is two tools...'..

Comment #6

Heheheh, I love the answers. I agree with the two guys just above me..

Anyway, before I changed from film to digital, I thought it would greatly improve my keeper rate to have IS. I planned to only buy Nikon VR lenses..

Today, I have 8 new lenses for my two digital cameras, a D80 and a D300. Only one is VR. I've found that good technique and experience easily make up for stabalization. It's the last feature I consider in new glass..

When I do indoor portraiture, I'm generally using light stands. No amount of IS will contribute..

If I'm doing candids of people or street photography, I usually am using a fast lens and shutter to freeze any action. No IS will help me..

With respect to birds in flight, sports, and some wildlife, it's subject movement you're dealing with. No IS will matter..

With landscapes and scenics, I'm on a tripod. No IS help..

IS doesn't work at macro distances, but a tripod does..

So, while there are some times where IS comes in handy, like the inside of a church without moving people or a dark alley, in my use it doesn't help much..

I prefer top quality pro-level fast glass, and that's the direction I'm heading these days. I'm slowly upgrading in that direction. Fast quality prime lenses, used properly can produce wonderful images.Cheers, Craig..

Comment #7

Myvysa wrote:.

I think of getting a camera without IS/ VR because of budget concern.I am not sure how would affect the pictures later. Please comments..

Actually, no..

This is from a dslr point of view...I am not sure if that is what you are thinking about..

Its value though depends on the individual and what you do..

For some people, it would be hardly used at all, others will find it handy and for others a must. (with slight physical shaking problem for example)..

I do not NEED it, but I value it above auto focus simply because it extends the range of photo I can take..

I have two dslrs, an older but higher end model without stabilization, and a newer more entry level one with it. (Pentax Ist*D and K100d).

I almost never use the Ist*D these days simply because of the anti shake (and the larger lcd)..

I love it in low light with fast primes. (even when already at high isos), being able to go to a slower shutter speed still means I can still shoot in lower light than before.It is NOT the be all and end all, but it is nice..

OH and it actually CAN help with sports....in a small way..

A lens of say 500mm would mostly need a speed of 1/500 for many people. With stabilization you can drop that to even something like 1/250, 1/125 and even 1/60 at times to get a shot....sportsman waiting for a catch in cricket or baseball or football etc, cyclist after a sharp corner before they accelerate, outfielder standing etc..

If I was starting and I did not know what I was going to be doing, I would not make my decision based on stabilization, but on what was available to me and what I liked in the hand..

Are you choosing between Oly models?.

If you go Pentax, all current models are stabilized....same with Sony.Nikon and Canon have none but the kit lenses ar now stabilized..

Oly makes both stabilized and non stabilized but there is also a stabilized lens available to Oly ( from panasonic/lleica) Samsung have a stabilzed model..

You can always buy a non stabilized camera and get VR/IS lenses for canon/Nikon/Fuji or if going Oly you can always buy a stabilized camera to use with your existing lenses later..

You can get a second hand dslr with stabilization built in very cheap these days....or a cheap second hand Canon or Nikon without it and a cheap stabilized lens and go from there..

Neil..

Comment #8

If you shake badly, shoot low-light without a tripod, or use serious telephotos, you would benefit from IS. If not, it is a gadget designed to sell cameras or lenses (depending on the manufacturer..

Jerryhttp://jchoate.zenfolio.com/..

Comment #9

What type of camera? Compact or dSLR?I assume you meant compact..

It's a tragedy not to have IS/VR. You have to lug a tripod with you for the beautiful places that are not so well lit because the compact cameras problems are more obvious when the light is scarce so high ISO in a dark environment is a recipe for bot so good looking photos.But before IS/VR appeared people used cameras and get good results.Here is an example:.

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Isn't it an awful picture because I used a tripod instead of IS/VR?VictorBucuresti, Romaniahttp://s106.photobucket.com/albums/m268/victor_petcu/http://picasaweb.google.com/teodor.nitica/..

Comment #10

Charlie DavisNikon 5700, Sony R1, Nikon D300HomePage: http://www.1derful.infoBridge Blog: http://www.here-ugo.com/BridgeBlog/'Experience: Discovering that a claw hammer will bend nails.Epiphany: Discovering that a claw hammer is two tools...'..

Comment #11

Baloo_buc wrote:.

Isn't it an awful picture because I used a tripod instead of IS/VR?.

No, it's a good pic, especially since the tripod doesn't show.  .

But with a 7.3mm FL and an exposure time of 1/5 sec, some people could prolly hand-hold it! .

I often put the camera down on the floor in churches...and prop up the lens so it's pointing up a little...self timer...F/8 (instead of F/2.8)...2 secs (instead of 1/5 sec)..

VictorBucuresti, Romaniahttp://s106.photobucket.com/albums/m268/victor_petcu/http://picasaweb.google.com/teodor.nitica/.

Charlie DavisNikon 5700, Sony R1, Nikon D300HomePage: http://www.1derful.infoBridge Blog: http://www.here-ugo.com/BridgeBlog/'Experience: Discovering that a claw hammer will bend nails.Epiphany: Discovering that a claw hammer is two tools...'..

Comment #12

Don't forget that 7.3 mm is on a small sensor camera. And f/8 is the worst aperture for it.VictorBucuresti, Romaniahttp://s106.photobucket.com/albums/m268/victor_petcu/http://picasaweb.google.com/teodor.nitica/..

Comment #13

Baloo_buc wrote:.

Don't forget that 7.3 mm is on a small sensor camera. And f/8 is theworst aperture for it..

Yes. The sensor used in the A610 is of the 1/1.8" variety...not especially small when viewed from the 2008 juncture. Heck, I don't even know if the A610 lens CAN be stopped down to F/8?.

But I think you got the jist of my point... .

Charlie DavisNikon 5700, Sony R1, Nikon D300HomePage: http://www.1derful.infoBridge Blog: http://www.here-ugo.com/BridgeBlog/'Experience: Discovering that a claw hammer will bend nails.Epiphany: Discovering that a claw hammer is two tools...'..

Comment #14

Of course I got it.It can be stopped down to f/8 but you will not like too much the results.VictorBucuresti, Romaniahttp://s106.photobucket.com/albums/m268/victor_petcu/http://picasaweb.google.com/teodor.nitica/..

Comment #15

JoePhoto wrote:.

After reading the comments already posted, I am left in awe andquestion how did we ever manage to take photos prior to stabilization???.

(cut ...).

BUT .... most amateursshould carefully follow the 1/focal-length rule anyway..

That's just the point; we managed to do it by living with restrictions..

And that answers the question, too ... your pictures will be fine so long as you shoot at faster shutter speeds..

Digicams (no idea if the OP means digicam or DSLR) can be shot at slower than 1/EFL due to the lack of mechanical shutter & mirror. Despite the cries from the OVF-or-die crowd that the only way to hold the camera steady is with it pressed against your face, I can regularly shoot my Canon A610 at slower shutter speeds than I'd be able to shoot a DSLR (without IS). That said, with a limit of ISO 400 and a slow lens (and the A610's lens if faster than some) you hit your limit pretty quickly and IS could allow me to get some shots I can't get now..

And as others have said, IS helps you get steady shots at shutter speeds that will result in subject motion blur, which can sometimes be fine, but sometimes just isn't desirable..

I'd rate IS as a very important feature in a digicam, and (for me) in a DSLR (because I mostly shoot handheld, often in low light, regularly up to ISO 1600, and make good use of IS). But not so important that I'll spend money to upgrade the A610 that I've been using happily for a couple years now. (My next digicam will hopefully have an APS-C sensor .

- DennisGallery at http://kingofthebeasts.smugmug.com..

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