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Need help deciding: Canon Xs or Nikon D60...probably been asked alot. First DSLR


I want to buy my wife a DSLR. She wants to get into this just as a hobby. Ive been looking at canon and nikon and really just want to stay with one of the 2. I need some objective advice. I realize that some people (especially here locally) are die hard for one of the other and not objective at all. so I'm tryign to decide between the d60 and the new XS.

I know some other the other differences like 7 af points vs 3 and live view.....

So, I need some objective advice on which to get D60 or XS...?.

Also, thinking of getting an 55-200 lens to compliment the 18-55 that comes on it. does that sound reasonable? with both lens's, is that sufficient for the average hoppy photographer?..

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Take her to a store and have her handle both of them and also use their menu's and stuff. The one she likes better is the one you should buy..

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Comment #1

Yes, take her to the store and hold them. Look through the viewfinder and read signs across the store. Either one will take great images and open the door to excellent lenses..

Either the Nikon 55-200vr or the Canon 55-250 IS are superb complements to either camera. The Nikon is considered slightly sharper while the Canon is slightly longer.Cheers, Craig..

Comment #2

I do a lot of low light work photographing local theater and local bands, mostly without a flash and mostly while people are moving around. So if indoor or natural light photography is her thing the Canons do produce cleaner images at high ISO..

The Nikons in that price range have quieter shutters in my opinion, and that's also a nice thing..

I've found that the actual noise my camera makes can be a real irritation in some situations. I usually revert to my P&S pocket cameras when I don't want to bother the crowd or make myself too obvious during a performance in a quiet room. My mother finally gave up on using her DSLR because at her church meetings and when she was out with friends the constant snapping just created a distraction or made some people too self-conscious...

I haven't really spent a lot of time using the Live View yet so I'm not sure exactly how it plays out, but IF it allows you to keep the mirror locked up more or less permanently that's a BIG bonus in my mind. I would LOVE to have a good camera with a nice lens that if I don't want it to it won't go SNAP SNAP SNAP SNAP SNAP...

So those would be my additions to your considerations.. ISO noise and just plain noise noise....

Comment #3

I may get flamed but look at a Pentax K200D. It is a little more like the N and C models above what you are looking at. It does have AS built in so every lens will be stabilized. It has a top LCD which really helps in using the camera. It is also compatible with 30+ years of PK mount lenses..

Samsung is working with Pentax in codeveloping bodies and eventually we should see both designs that are exclusively Samsung in design. So, there will be more and better bodies as an upgrade path. Pentax has also been designing some of the best lenses out there..

For something really exciting, skip the kit lens and go for a Sigma 17-70 or a Pentax DA17-70. The DA55-300 looks incredible as well. The Sigma 70-300 APO would be a distant second choice. This is from a 4 year old Pentax DS and Sigma 17-70. It did a fantastic job of capturing the light..

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Thanks guys, since the XS does not come out here in the states for about another week, I guess I could have her check out the XSI as they have virtually the same body and compare it to the D60. the thing is that I really want this to be a suprise for her b day and dont want to spoil it by saying lets go try one out..

I still cant decide.....

Comment #5

Don't want to be nagging but for me it wouldn't be a pleasant surprise getting a camera that doesn't suit me. You could bring her to the store as a surprise....

Anyhow, I wouldn't commit myself to just those two models. Consider multiple SYSTEMS by multiple brands. A Pentax with kitlens might be a better choice than a better Nikon body with crappier kitlens..

All contemporary DSLRs take decent pictures, it's the handling and the lenses that count most IMHO...

Comment #6



You have a good point. I wsa under the impression that the kit lens w the Nikon was actuallly a pretty good lens...?.

I have heard that the kit lens w the XTI kind of sucks, but the XS/XSI lens is supposed to be a little better?.

To be honost, I have not researched the pentex or oly at all. if you think I should, where should I start?..

Comment #7

Do check them out and be sure to include the K200D. Remember, the D40/D60 does not have an AF pin drive. You are limited to lenses with the focus motor built in. C and N do not have a top panel LCD either and that does make operating it a little more difficult. The Pentax does have stabilization built into the body among other nice features. You should hold them and look at their photos too. C photos look different from N and P...

Comment #8

The kit lens on the D60 is just fine. The 18-55VR is versatile for what it is. I bought one to toss in my bag when I want to slim down from what's normally a collection of primes..

I've heard the Canon IS kit lens (the new one) is supposed to be a vast improvement over the original kit lens but have no hands-on experience with it..

Pentax and Olympus both produce fine cameras and if your wife isn't looking into wildly exotic lenses, either would be fine. If she has smaller hands, the Olympus bodies may be especially welcome..

I bought an Olympus E500 so I could use it with an adapter to mount some Leica R lenses (and some Nikon lenses) eventually bought a kit lens to have it as a secondary DSLR. Unless you're interested in landscape vistas, the difference between the 4/3 system and DX format is negligible in my mind..

If you guys spend time outdoors, the Pentax K200D reportedly has additional weather sealing that you're not going to get in the entry level Canon and Nikon models. It's got the same CCD that has gotten glowing reviews in the K10D..

Another intriguing thing about K200D is that it takes AA sized batteries. You can either use typical rechargable batteries or Lithiums and even Alkalines in a pinch. If you travel, that can be nice..

I'd take the advice of other posters and make the fact that you want to buy your wife the camera a surprise maybe accompanied by a basic selection mag or printouts and enjoy a shopping trip to make sure it suits her..

Check the forums for any of the above brands and you will find champions and detractors of each model. The reality is ALL of them (even the less-than-stellar Canon kit lens) will produce wonderful images..

Good luck..

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Comment #9

K1000Photographer wrote:.

I may get flamed but look at a Pentax K200D. It is a little more likethe N and C models above what you are looking at. It does have ASbuilt in so every lens will be stabilized. It has a top LCD whichreally helps in using the camera. It is also compatible with 30+years of PK mount lenses..

Samsung is working with Pentax in codeveloping bodies and eventuallywe should see both designs that are exclusively Samsung in design.So, there will be more and better bodies as an upgrade path. Pentaxhas also been designing some of the best lenses out there..

For something really exciting, skip the kit lens and go for a Sigma17-70 or a Pentax DA17-70. The DA55-300 looks incredible as well. TheSigma 70-300 APO would be a distant second choice. This is from a 4year old Pentax DS and Sigma 17-70. It did a fantastic job ofcapturing the light..

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No flames from me (a Canon/Nikon user). The K200D should be on many people's short list. The addition of IS to otherwise unstabilized primes could be very useful...

Comment #10

Kboater wrote:.

Thanks guys, since the XS does not come out here in the states forabout another week, I guess I could have her check out the XSI asthey have virtually the same body and compare it to the D60. thething is that I really want this to be a suprise for her b day anddont want to spoil it by saying lets go try one out..

I still cant decide....

At this moment, the XS just came out and is selling at it's $699 list. The XSi has been out for a while, and is selling for $750, down from it's $899 list..

The D60 is a very nice camera, but the XSi bests it in a number of ways. More AF points, AF with all lenses, 12 mp, and live view are the biggest factors..

Both Canon's and Nikon's 18-55 IS/VR and 55-250/200 IS/VR lenses are excellent for advanced amateur use...

Comment #11

Well, as a woman, I'd like to choose my own camera. Men too often think they need to make these "technical" decisions for us..

The surprise could be taking her without knowing where she's going. And letting her choose her heart's desire. Part of the fun is choosing. And don't complicate it for her with endless technical specifications from gear head sites such as this, as any dSLR will do the job in the end..

And don't assume women like smaller cameras. I have a D200. I loved it partly because it's built like a brick outhouse. If anybody tries to take it off me, it would double as a very nasty weapon. ..

Comment #12

Whatever you do dont infilct your choices on your wife.Cameras are incredibly personal.If she really wants a DSLR then she will be thrilled to be taken to a store where she can try several models and choose the one that she likes and suits her..

There are no bad cameras made by the major manufacturers these daysbut button layouts and menus differ considerably.Let her find one that she feels comfortable with and has a menu that is intuitive to herIt must feel balanced and comfortable..

Having let her make her choicefeel free to advise on lens selectionbut let her make the final picks..

Photography is very personal it's what we want to shoot and when but above all it must be fun and not a chore with uncomfortable forbidding gear that we are reluctant to use.If she feels comfortable with the camera then she will use it a lot more and really appreciate the thought that went into the gift.Best of luck.PJT..

Comment #13

NIKON D60  Great pictures every time!! Didn't like the feel of the Canons when I tried them out, felt Cheap! JerryNikon D60 18-55vr & 55-200vrSB400Casio Z750..

Comment #14

.....I'd get her a D60. It's easily the most user friendly entry level DSLR for handling that's currently available and has the best out-of-camera JPEG images that you'll see in that price range. I know someone who uses it and they're very happy. Read the D60 review here at DPReview..

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Comment #15

Wow, thanks to all!.

Assuming everyone is in the US, what stores or chain stores do you think I should go to to try them (or have wife) try them out? at CC and BB, even though I'm a beginner, it know 10 more than the kids working at CC and BB..

Again, thanks to all, and did the XSI really drop that much in price?..

Comment #16

Kboater wrote:.

Wow, thanks to all!.

Assuming everyone is in the US, what stores or chain stores do youthink I should go to to try them (or have wife) try them out? at CCand BB, even though I'm a beginner, it know 10 more than the kidsworking at CC and BB..

Again, thanks to all, and did the XSI really drop that much in price?.

...This is a dilemma. If you don't have any private-locally owned camera stores in your area, you're stuck with going into a large retailer to get your hands on a new DSLR before buying. If you tell the sales clerk that you're 'into' photography and are just accompanying your wife to help her examine a few different models, maybe they'll give you some space for awhile..

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Kboater wrote:.

Wow, thanks to all!.

Assuming everyone is in the US, what stores or chain stores do youthink I should go to to try them (or have wife) try them out? at CCand BB, even though I'm a beginner, it know 10 more than the kidsworking at CC and BB..

Again, thanks to all, and did the XSI really drop that much in price?.

$745.87 with lens and free shipping at Amazon as of right now. XS still at list...

Comment #18

Is the price difference between any of the major manufacturer's entry level dslr's the deciding factor or is it your wife's pleasure? Forget what all the fan boys say about the brand they bought into. I think half of the pleasure your wife will derive from a dslr is shopping for it. Is your wife's and your happiness worth a few bucks one way or the other? Just my humble opinion..

By the way, she'll want accessories to go with the new camera. For instance a camera bag and an extra battery at the minimum...

Comment #19



You are right, I was actually thinking of buying from a REPUTABLE seller on ebay because you can usually get the same camera and lens + memory, bag, extra battery... for the same price as buying from a local retailer..

Of course only a reputable seller on ebay, any thoghts on this idea?..

Comment #20

Personally I don't like buying from ebay, so I'm no help there. They cost more but online I buy from B&H photo, or KEH.com. I hear Adorama is good also..

Beware the kit deals anyone tries to sell you. I've been burned (once) by buying an off brand battery. As far the camera bag goes I think that's a personal decision as to style. I've had good wear and tear out of Tough Traveler bags, one for 25 years, and one for 20 years both going strong. The construction quality and especially the heavy duty zippers used in these bags are superb. The zippers are not to be overlooked..

Http://www.toughtraveler.com/camera.asp.

Oh one more thing, if you value your wife's neck upgrade the camera strap that comes in the box with a padded one. I like the Lowepro Voyager Contoured..

Http://www.bhphotovideo.com/...-REG/Lowepro_34959_Voyager_C_Camera_Strap.html.

Others like Optech straps...

Comment #21

Kboater wrote:.

You are right, I was actually thinking of buying from a REPUTABLEseller on ebay because you can usually get the same camera and lens +memory, bag, extra battery... for the same price as buying from alocal retailer..

Of course only a reputable seller on ebay, any thoghts on this idea?.

I just purchased my Nikon D60 w/ lens kit off eBay a few weeks ago. Very good experience. When purchasing cameras though you need to make sure the seller is an authorized reseller of Nikon or Canon products for example. There's only a handful that are. They are usually actual camera stores that list on eBay. The Imaging World out of Brooklyn, NY is the seller I purchased mine from.

The D60 kit was like $400 after cashback...

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