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Looking for a DSLR XSI,D60,D80,40D confused?
I have been reading everything on this sight and others, have visited stores and professional camers stores, spoken to many people that I have seen with DSLR's..

I have a point and shoot and my kids are 9 and 11, I would like to shoot soccer,softball (pitching), and hockey at a fairly well lit AHL arena along with family fhotos and some concerts. I have looked at many cameras the D60 and XSI sound good but do not feel so good holding them. The D 80 and 40D feels good D40 could be a bit heavy. I was told a f2.8 would be good for what I need 18-200 with image IS or VR big$$$$$$. I was also told that Tamaron which is much cheaper has IS for canon but not VR for Nikon.Could I get away with F3.5-5.6?would I be over buying with the D80, 40D? which would be better?I would like to stick with one camera and buy more lenses eventually.I also plan on taking some photography classes.So confused lenses,cameras, too many to choose from, this is a mess...

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Balckcloud wrote:.

I have been reading everything on this sight and others, have visitedstores and professional camers stores, spoken to many people that Ihave seen with DSLR's.I have a point and shoot and my kids are 9 and 11, I would like toshoot soccer,softball (pitching), and hockey at a fairly well lit AHLarena along with family fhotos and some concerts. I have looked atmany cameras the D60 and XSI sound good but do not feel so goodholding them. The D 80 and 40D feels good D40 could be a bit heavy. Iwas told a f2.8 would be good for what I need 18-200 with image IS orVR big$$$$$$. I was also told that Tamaron which is much cheaper hasIS for canon but not VR for Nikon..

Could I get away with F3.5-5.6?.

Probably not. If you shoot at the long end of the telephoto, the widest aperture is 5.6 which even in good light, outdoors might not be fastest enough to stop action..

Would I be over buying with the D80, 40D? which would be better?.

The Canon is a more advanced camera and has a faster continous drive. Both cameras could do sports with the right lens with the edge to Canon..

I would like to stick with one camera and buy more lenses eventually.I also plan on taking some photography classes.So confused lenses,cameras, too many to choose from, this is a mess...

Comment #1

First of all, do not limit yourself to Nikon and Canon. There are also excellent choices from Pentax, Sony and Olympus..

As far as "feel" on the D40 vs the D60... They are the SAME camera with a different sensor. If you want to use the older Nikon auto lenses, you will need to move up to the D80. The Canons will use the old auto lenses on any of the new bodies. You will only get image stabilization on these cameras if you buy the new image stabilized lenses..

Pentax, Sony and Olympus build the image stabilization into the body, so any lens you mount on the body will benefit from IS. There are a lot of old Pentax K-mount auto lenses to chose from. Sony was bought from Minolta, so all the old Minolta auto lenses back to 1985 will work on this body. Olympus is a new lens system and you will be limited pretty much to new rather than used lenses..

If you want to benefit from image stabilization with all lenses and want a vast array of used lenses from both the manufacturer and third party lens makers, the obvious choise is Sony or Pentax. IMHO.

As fas a which lens to choose, start with the kit lens for general use and maybe add a used 50mm f/1.7 or f/1.8 prime lens for low light and portrait shots. You should be able to pick one up for under $100. I recently picked up a used Nikon 50mm f/1.8 and a Minolta 50mm f/1.7 for $75 and $80 respectively in like new condition. Learn how to use the camera before you invest in more lenses. After you use it a while, you will figure out what you need...

Comment #2

The A300 has great IQ pretty comperable to the cameras you are looking at.Based on what you said....

Sony A300 is 10 MP with the only Live View that can focus well on fast moving subjects and can be quickly turned on and off by a simple switch..

Also you seem to care about stablized lenses. All Sony / Minolta AF lenses are stablized on the Sony..

Sony aquired the technology and engineering teams of Konica-Minolta and Minolta has as long a history in SLRs as Nikon Canon .. including leading the way on AF SLRs etc. So it is a good brand to consider..

The A300 is basically the sensor from the Sony A200 with all the Live View features of the A350... I'm my opinon if you want live view it is the best Sony..

If you are also looking at the Nikons which have no Live view.. then look at the A200 which has all the features of the A300 except live view and can be had with it's kit lens for under $500.. at many major stores..

Again the body stablization means all minolta, Sony, Tamron, sigma lenses.. even older cheap Vivitars are stablized...

Ken_ 5D(Happy A700 owner who hasn't sold the 5D yet hmm?)See my stuff athttp://www.cascadephotoworks.comRead the detailed reviews athttp://www.dpreview.comThen read great Sony user info at:http://www.photoclubalpha.com..

Comment #3

Based on your questions and comments, you should get a beginner's dslr. Don't even consider an advanced camera, because you are not ready for it. An introductory camera from any of the manufacturers will suit you just fine..

Jerryhttp://jchoate.zenfolio.com/..

Comment #4

A great starter package would be a Canon 450D with extra grip and something like the new Tamron 18-270mm with image stabilization. You can use higher ISOs to compensate for the slower lens for action shots (if necessary) and avoid using the extreme end of the zoom, unless you can get fast enough shutter speeds at that setting. Starting out, an f2.8 zoom would be heavy, costly and have a limited range, but is great for pros and advanced amateurs who carry around a bunch of more specialized lens. You can purchase better lenses later - your shooting experience and style will dictate what you get. I'd also recommend getting a good photography book and practicing shooting action, because there's more to it than firing off a bunch of shots...

Comment #5

If you know of any good books for beginners I could use some recomendations...

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Balckcloud wrote:.

I have been reading everything on this sight and others, have visitedstores and professional camers stores, spoken to many people that Ihave seen with DSLR's.I have a point and shoot and my kids are 9 and 11, I would like toshoot soccer,softball (pitching), and hockey at a fairly well lit AHLarena along with family fhotos and some concerts. I have looked atmany cameras the D60 and XSI sound good but do not feel so goodholding them. The D 80 and 40D feels good D40 could be a bit heavy. Iwas told a f2.8 would be good for what I need 18-200 with image IS orVR big$$$$$$. I was also told that Tamaron which is much cheaper hasIS for canon but not VR for Nikon.Could I get away with F3.5-5.6?would I be over buying with the D80, 40D? which would be better?I would like to stick with one camera and buy more lenses eventually.I also plan on taking some photography classes.So confused lenses,cameras, too many to choose from, this is a mess..

Start by picking a lens, then selecting a camera to mount it on..

The lens for what you describe is a 70-200 f/2.8 with IS. Canon and Nikon both make wonderful ones for about $1500. But, if you got a camera with in-body IS, you could get the $700 Tamron..

The Nikon D60 is pretty limited, but the Canon XSi has everything most people could want. In many respects, it's superior to anything short of the D300 or 5D. The D80 and 40D are both great, but I wouldn't spend the extra unless you can also afford top-notch lenses...

Comment #7

Balckcloud wrote:.

If you know of any good books for beginners I could use somerecomendations..

Beginner:http://www.shortcourses.com/use/Nikon Digitutor (other brands probably have something similar)http://www.nikondigitutor.com/eng/d80/index.shtml.

Beginner/intermediateUnderstanding Exposure by Bryan PetersonFor Nikon - Thom Hogans Ebook for D80 (maybe an equivalent in other brands)..

Comment #8

Mary just gave some definative choices in learning materials. I especially like Bryan Peterson and Thom Hogan's work.Cheers, Craig..

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Balckcloud wrote:.

I have been reading everything on this sight and others, have visitedstores and professional camers stores, spoken to many people that Ihave seen with DSLR's.I have a point and shoot and my kids are 9 and 11, I would like toshoot soccer,softball (pitching), and hockey at a fairly well lit AHLarena along with family fhotos and some concerts..

Have you checked with the arena to see whether they have a policy on photography in particular whether they restrict you by size, weight or type?.

I have looked atmany cameras the D60 and XSI sound good but do not feel so goodholding them. The D 80 and 40D feels good D40 could be a bit heavy. Iwas told a f2.8 would be good for what I need 18-200 with image IS orVR big$$$$$$. I was also told that Tamaron which is much cheaper hasIS for canon but not VR for Nikon.Could I get away with F3.5-5.6?.

F/5.6 sounds a bit slow to me for hockey, given that the lighting even if pretty decent for an indoors arena is likely to be far less than daylight... and hockey is a fast-paced sport. Soccer and softball pitching will be somewhat easier, if they're day games. VR/IS will not be all that relevant compared to AF speed, shutter lag, f-stop, or light level since action demands a decently fast shutter speed unless you're panning, which is normally more relevant for rigid objects like racing vehicles..

*snip*..

Comment #10

Leejay Wu wrote:.

Balckcloud wrote:.

I have been reading everything on this sight and others, have visitedstores and professional camers stores, spoken to many people that Ihave seen with DSLR's.I have a point and shoot and my kids are 9 and 11, I would like toshoot soccer,softball (pitching), and hockey at a fairly well lit AHLarena along with family fhotos and some concerts..

Have you checked with the arena to see whether they have a policy onphotography in particular whether they restrict you by size,weight or type?.

I have looked atmany cameras the D60 and XSI sound good but do not feel so goodholding them. The D 80 and 40D feels good D40 could be a bit heavy. Iwas told a f2.8 would be good for what I need 18-200 with image IS orVR big$$$$$$. I was also told that Tamaron which is much cheaper hasIS for canon but not VR for Nikon.Could I get away with F3.5-5.6?.

F/5.6 sounds a bit slow to me for hockey, given that the lighting even if pretty decent for an indoors arena is likely to be farless than daylight... and hockey is a fast-paced sport. Soccer andsoftball pitching will be somewhat easier, if they're day games.VR/IS will not be all that relevant compared to AF speed, shutterlag, f-stop, or light level since action demands a decently fastshutter speed unless you're panning, which is normally more relevantfor rigid objects like racing vehicles..

*snip*.

I haven't shot hockey for a long time, but the last time I did (Ottawa Senators game), I used a Canon A2 film camera with ISO 800 speed film and a Tamron 28-300mm f3.5-6.3 lens. I don't recall having any problems stopping action at various focal lengths. The lens was sometimes slow to autofocus but I got around this by pre-focusing most of the shots...

Comment #11

I thought Tamaron made IS lenses for canon but not for Nikon yet or did I get that wrong. Someone said the sony 300,350 was good and had the IS in the body. Is the sony a good choice and how is it compaired to the XSI, D60? Thank you for your input and to everyone else that responded this is all so helpfull...

Comment #12

At least look at the Oly 510. It has IS built in. Is much lighter then most of the other cameras..

I will post 2 shots below. One is at high ISO with the kit lens (tennis) and one is at ISO 200 and the 50-200mm (100-400mm equiv) which I just purchased new for $700. Because Oly has IS built in all lenses are stabilized. The tennis shot is under lights with the kit lens and highly cropped..

Jim.

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Olympus E-510 and a bunch of stuff to hang on it...

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Balckcloud wrote:.

I thought Tamaron made IS lenses for canon but not for Nikon yet ordid I get that wrong. Someone said the sony 300,350 was good and hadthe IS in the body. Is the sony a good choice and how is it compairedto the XSI, D60? Thank you for your input and to everyone else thatresponded this is all so helpfull..

Sony makes the sensors for the Nikons at this level....

The lenses are designed by Minolta (before Sony bought their camera business), Zeiss, Tamron, and Sony.

It's a good system... for $459-499 You can get an A200 (no live view) with stablization, wireless flash, auto bracking (all not on Nikon) also the Sony supports ALL Minolta / Sony mount AFlenses.. the D60 only supports Nikon lenses with motors because they deleted the body focus motor that is in the D80 and better cameras..

The A300 is 10 MP with all those features and the only Live View of the three systems that can be used to focus on fast moving subjects like sports etc..

If you magnify the images to wall sized.. I think the Canon has a bit better image quality... but doesn't have the fast AF live view, wireless flash controll built-in, or stablization of ALL AF lenses new, 3rd party, and used..

All three will take great images.. under ideal conditions.. so it comes down to will you want to sometimes shoot in lower light with no flash, then stablization is of value? are there times you don't want or can't have the camera at your eye.. then live view has value. Will you sometimes shoot sunsets etc. that can be tricky..



In the end depending on the side features.. any of them are great cameras, just different ideas on what features to include..

Ken_ 5D(Happy A700 owner who hasn't sold the 5D yet hmm?)See my stuff athttp://www.cascadephotoworks.comRead the detailed reviews athttp://www.dpreview.comThen read great Sony user info at:http://www.photoclubalpha.com..

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