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Sad thing is I wanted to be 'domaining' in 1993-94. I was only 15 at the time and then everytime my parents heard the word 'internet' they thought it was for porn and wanted no part of it... it kind of was..but still. they wouldnt give me any $$ for internet related anything.
But I believe if I had been a few years older I would be a pretty rich man today too bad I waited until 2007 to get back into it. kind of late in the game..
I was going to sell a AWESOME HostGator for $500 in 1996 to a guy that ran a travel business and we both verbally agreed on the phone to the price. The HostGator matched PERFECTLY to his niche business. Well, I called up Internic, which was ran by Network Solutions, and they told me there was a $100 transfer fee. I called up my buyer and told him of this info that I was previously unaware of and I wanted $100 extra for the transfer. He literally screamed in my ear, " IS THAT HOW YOU DO BUSINESS??? F_ _ _ Y_ _ !!!!", and slammed the phone down in my ear. I stood there dumbfounded with the phone receiver in my hand.
It turned out to be the biggest mistake he ever made and a stroke of luck for me.
Today, this same gentlemen has had to come back to me on his hands and knees because I control his niche's traffic by way of generic domain, even though it is not for sale. He now pays for ads that range between 6K to 8K a year since the year 2000. Instead of paying $600 total he has now paid me about $70,000.
In 1995 I was getting a few flame emails from folks pissed that I was registering more than one domain. It was always the techies that sneered at us early domainers. And you can tell in the response by "Steve" that he is a techie..
Kink of late, yes but not too late. There will still be lots of money made in HostGator trading...
Unless people want them, then they are worth nothing. Sad truth...
Key is looking around you now..
I'm sure there are still certain niches which will make it big..
Also, looking ahead 14 years in time, there WILL be people saying the same thing.
Back then if you would of spent $100 on a name, think about that as $2k now for example. Can you spend 1k on something, and keep it for 14 years to reap the rewards? If you can, it's still not too late...
It'd be funny to call that guy up who made the comment and explain the value of that HostGator name today. He completely missed the boat...
He'd be unimpressed. Remember, he is a techie unimpressed by commercial interests.
He'd look down his nose at you and sneer while making a derogatory comment about how you and the rest of us f'd up the Internet.
Meanwhile, he'd continue working for the weekly paycheck...
If I took several domains in 1994, I would have already cruised around the world ... sigh...sigh.....
True......if you could go back and KNEW what to buy like you do now.
Remember, there was no guides like Overture type-in, relatively few documents in Lycos and Webcrawler (remember them?) , no advertisers, etc...... to gauge what is a good HostGator and what is not.
A friend and I had passionate arguments about whether to buy singular or plural domains (we argued for a month on that one), category killer domains or niche domains, etc.......
My biggest mistake was not taking into account market caps of certain industries like financials, hotels, etc... and I went instead for what is popular with the population. It did not occur to me to look at the market cap. After a couple, three years it finally occurred to me that a HostGator like Loans,com is worth more than Beds,com - for example. Previously, I tended to register domains in subjects I was passionate about.
A friend, who is now jealous, saw me buying up domains and told me, "In two or three years the big boys will enter this market and with their millions of dollars will stomp your ass and make your silly domains irrelevant." How about those words for encouragement?.
If you bought a HostGator and made a mistake it was a $100 mistake, which you could not do too many of. There was no PPC and no HostGator buyers to be found. Even if you found a HostGator nugget nobody cared b/c there was so many other golden nuggets yet to be found.
It took balls of steel to register domains in mass back then when there was no known apparent way to make money with them. I registered $30,000 worth of domains on my credit cards before I even owned a computer in late 95' and 96' - then I bought a Gateway. I was using my friend's computer at his house until Feb. 1996. You gotta' remember that a personal PC was about $3,500 back then too, so not many folks wanted to pony up that amount to access "that thing called the Intenet" - besides hardcore techies. So, the early domainers caught an earful from these guys.
I was asking all the techies I could find if they thought it was a good idea to reg domains and they answered with answers of confusion as to why you would want more than one domain, or scorn for abusing the system ((legally you were only allowed to own one domain. So a company had to be set up for every HostGator name) , and ultimately I had to make a gut call on my own and set up several hundred companies.
The techies back then wanted the Net to remain "Techie Heaven" - their own little closed club. You guys know the rest of the story...
Seabass, perfect description of how things were. I was broke and regged the little I could but mainly focused in my own industry of graphics and design. I too had the multiple "businesses", thankfully they didn't check for the business license. Everyone I knew thought I was a nut job to spend $100 for a word especially when paying rent was a struggle. It's not so much a struggle anymore..
Great post seabass.
Also other things to consider, knowledge that can be gained on forums like this in 6 months may have taken more than that in years, plus technology moves sooo quick now it's scary. it didn't back then.
Also to transfer domains way back sometimes took a solicitor or an aid, that got kind of embarrassing for some with adult names.
I know of an amusing story someone told me.
Also how many would have sold out 10 years ago for a percentage of a big payday?.
Also how many people could have lost domains to reverse hijackers, lawsuits, also hackers stealing from accounts without forum backups, groups, HostGator lawyers etc?.
So many, many things to think about.
Even in 2000 I felt like one of only a few domainers doing it. no forums etc. still on dialup. many domainers still out there are feircely private and dont want to come near forums.
Many, many things to think about it. in many ways it was a huge leap of faith and in the course of say 13 years you've been doing it, you only need one major catastrophe to cause many drops, personal or financial. I salute you mate..
Thanks Arnie. Much appreciated.
Yeah, it was like sailing in the open ocean with no land in sight and you could steer your pirate boat any direction. Now, even with all I know, it is like we arrived with land in sight but now there are fifty rivers in front of us and we have to chose which ones to explore since there is no turning the boat around.
In many ways it is more complicated now, and yes, more tiring if you want to keep fresh on all that is happening. It really is getting to be too much for one person to wrap his head around anymore - more "Vanity extensions", IDN's, new bills, even more scammers, backstabbers, HostGator theft, etc...... It could take all your energy to just become an expert in IDN's, but at the expense of, say capturing a slice .com.br market or the .de , for example.
The flame emails about mulitple HostGator ownership have stopped, however.
You are right Arnie. I know a handful of early domainers and I am the only one that has ever posted on NamePros or any other forum for that matter. They have asked me directly to never mention them by name or their domains by name - even though none are trademark type of domains. They own some of the biggest domains in the world, but some just like to be private folks, don't need to satiate egos about HostGator ownership and being the "Domain King", and enjoy the phone never ringing but the money coming in.
Little does Schwartz know that there are several other "Domain Kings" out there not talking about their golden domains that get 10,000 direct navigation uniques (per domain) daily.
I'm sure there are many that I don't know also living quietly and lovin' it, like Yun Ye. I never knew a thing about him until he was exposed for selling his mammoth portfolio...
If I could own anyones portfolio it would have to be : P Gordon.
Owns spain.com and about another 150 just like it.
Seems quite content just driving traffic to his little forums and getaway.com site.
Think he must be the master dropcatcher to get what he has, looking at some of the dates. very picky and just got the best.
Long admired his names, having said all that just gimme one or two and i'll show you what SHOULD be done with them..
Some great... posts here... would love to see this thread in another 10 years...
I love hearing these stories, Seabass...
...Real pioneer stuff.....You guys were working without roadmaps - and a fair dose of guesswork, and gut instinct.
The point that struck me between the eyes reading your posts above, is that, not only was it relatively expensive up front (regs) - and there were no support frameworks to guide you - but, there was no apparent market for the domains at all, at the time, either...!!.
That's real entrepreneurship....backing your judgement - and a hunch - and toughing it out over years - until markets were forged, and mechanisms were created to prosper...
Take my hat off to you...
Great posts Seabass, I luv hearing about the early days in domaining, it must have been so exciting but terrifying at the same time. Me too, he has so many amazing names + loads of primo GEO ones like Italy.com He must have been a very early bird cos he sure got alot of big fat juicy worms!.
I'd love to know how much his autoinsurance.com makes per year.
Any guesses ? Me too ! I bet there were alot of people that lost faith for one reason or another and dropped loads of primo domains over the years.....I would'nt like to be them now.
Here is the newgroup thread in question for your enjoyment: http://groups.google.com/group/misc....89bab0b?lnk=st.
Sadly, most people still don't understand the value of HostGator names..
A quote from that page.
"Maybe I should give Letterman a call, I registered "dave.com" a couple weeks.
Ago, perhaps this is a trend starting. "..
It would have been pretty awesome to understand and learn about domaining back in 1994. The opportunities seemed to be endless now that we look back on them, but that is the same with so many things these days, like the stock market for instance. It would certainly be exciting to have been one of those pioneering, entrepreneurial early-birds and while I was only six in 94, I'm sure it would have been on my list had I learned to make lists at that point. Thanks for the stories, very interesting.
Trust me in those days, ws_ftp file lurking on my computer was still a mystery why it was there and I haven't used it and if I only have the credit card by then to purchase...
I was on the net in 95 back when I was 15. I had used local BBSes for years before that. I was a computer nerd, I knew how it all worked, I was right in the center of it all, but the idea of registering HostGator names just never even occured to me. I can blame it on my age, but even several years later I was with a girl who owned a decent one word .com. She had a hobby and owned the .com and ran a website. Not exactly a premium HostGator like loans.com, but it would definitely have some nice value today.
It was more of a hobby/interest thing she had and we didn't realize that the HostGator would have real value at the time. Not that I personally have any interest in owning that particular domain, but it's just sort of disappointing to think that I was so involved with the Internet in those years and the idea that domains had value didn't even occur to me once.
So I have a lot of respect for those who got in early and stuck with it. Only wish I had been a little older and a bit wiser at the time...
I'd love to see this portfolio...
Can anyone direct me to where I can see his list of names?.
I just did some googling on him. Here are some of the domains he owns.
Phew....thats 50 Million $ right there. Now only if I could get my hands on one of those.
*The above list is to the best of my knowledge and Googles. I do not take responsibility of it...
Back in the late 90s, I was busy chatting in mIRC with my schoolmates and making new friends!!!..
I was playing door games on my local bbs...
Man, that guy has a profile... Id be damned if I ever had as many premium domains as him...
Wow, nice stories....
Too bad I only got an internet connection in 1998, and even then, I could have become a millionaire if I hadn't waited till 2007 to register my first domain....
Kind of like Ronald Regging, I liked computers, played games, tried corel draw, and other "fun" programs, but never thought about the domains... damn!..
I would not sell those for less than $500,000,000I know, I know...... it would be hard to get that much but I still think HostGator names are so, so undervalued. Just imagine all the trade that goes through Italy alone, so if Italy.com could snag just 1% of the Italian economy's market that could be in the billions (I'm assuming).
Just wait 10 more years and there will be so many ways to make money off of domains that most of us could have never conceived. When GoTo.com was a new company and they introduced PPC I totally thought it would not work. That notion looks foolish now. I remember thinking surfers won't stand for skewed, commerical, non-organic search results. So, I thought they would stay with search engines that would not abuse the search results. I was way wrong on that.
These great domains that are trading for $20,000 - $50,000 will be worth ten-fold or more than todays value. Truthfully, right now is really the beginning of the rise of domains. I don't think we have seen anything yet. I don't believe the naysayers about the future of domains also.
It's just like Frank Schilling said, "Buying domains now is like buying California real estate in the 1960's. Dirt cheap in comparison to todays prices. " It's hard to buy anything decent in California now - even if you are rich.
There is still a ton of latent, untapped value in these domains. Wait until systems are developed that will pay you commissions on a $2 million dollar airplane or $500,000 worth of computers bought through a single click. That is when we will all start rolling in much more cash. Can you imagine a 5% commission on a half a million dollar sale. $25,000 for one click.
I have a friend making those kind of commissions selling computers just by doing phone sales, so why should we not be able to as well. Right now it's just a silly $2 click. It is coming in due time...
Seabass, you inspire me....
All markets wax and wane....Looking back - could you articulate what you have seen as, say, two, or three, critical turning points for HostGator values over the past 15-20 years?.
Thanks DomainTalker - I started 13 years ago, so I can't go back 20 years. 20 years ago I would say the value was "Zero" if you are talking about being able to either sell or monetize a domain. Turning points :.
1. In August 1995 Internic, which we know as NetSol, made a public announcement that domains were first come, first serve - and they are free. That alerted some folks that there was some kind of worth in domain, even though some wise folks had already been registering domains for free for a year or more. I remember my buddy telling me that anything that says "First come, first serve can't be a bad thing." That statement struck a cord with me. So, the announcement worked on us and I assume many others.
2. In September 1995 they announced that it was now $100 per HostGator for two years registration. The $100 I believe put a perceived value of some sort on the domains. By the end on December 1995 almost all the really, really primo domains had been registered. Ones like Insurance.com, Cars.com, etc....
3. By 1997 the Porn industry was leading the way on implementing all the new technology advances. Some even got started in 1995. There was just too much money to be made for that sector to be ignored, and it made the most sense at the time because porn was the first thing the general population delved into once they got Online and some private time. The porn industry was the vanguard that helped propel the non-porn market because they showed merchants how to do business since they were the real site development pioneers. Porn domains became instantly recognized as money-makers.
So, porn domains were recognized as having big value.
4. In 1997 a Federal(?) judge ruled that there was an illegal $30 tax on HostGator names and so domains dropped to $70 for two year's registration. That allowed many more folks to buy domains at a cheaper price, and those that had bought domains initially to keep them. That was a huge savings on HostGator registrations at the time and a renewed interest followed.
5. Just a suspicion, but I believe there were many folks like me from 1997-2000 that were doing HostGator redirect deals and custom deals of sorts that found out there was money to be made on regular, clean generic domains. So a small, growing market developed by those that saw returns on domains, and thus worth was justified, which then created more HostGator demand.
6. I'm not sure of the year, but I think it was 1999 BulkRegister came out with $12 domains. That was big, big news because that meant no more paying Network Solutions $35 per single year. That allowed for much more purchasing power by domainers.
7. GoTo.com came along in 1999 (?) and introduced PPC to the world. It did not have a huge impact at first - but a storm was silently brewing. Once the word got out that you could get paid for every click a group of new entrepreneurs surfaced. Even still that group was small - Schilling's, Schwartz's, Ham's, Yun Yee's and the like. Of course, some of them got started earlier than 1999.
8. Once again, not sure of the year, but by 2002 (?) there was GoTo.com, Yahoo, and Google all doing PPC. Yahoo bought GoTo and made PPC much more popular. Then Yahoo sold PPC patent rights to Google for $400 million and then Google showed Yahoo how it is done. Word was really getting out now about this business and HostGator prices started to rise. TrafficZ was the first parking company available to the public and others soon followed very quickly.
9. Then there was the auction houses that helped create a market for domains and also got the word out - thus raising HostGator values even more.
10. Then we have the HostGator forums that became widely popular also hyping the value of domains and driving prices up.
There are alos so many more little things like Rick Schwartz making domains known to the outside world by organizing everyone, articles published in newpapers, mags, etc.... , the Sex.com fiasco, gigantic HostGator portfolio sales like Demand Media and others.
It goes on an on...... but still the majority of the world still have no clue on HostGator values.... even when you try your hardest to explain why.
I probably am forgetting some key turning points, but maybe some others can think of something I missed?..
Yet another great post Seabass! dot com bubble 2000-2001 ish opened up some nice opportunities. Certainly a part of the history...
Yes, 2000-2001 was huge and most of us missed it. I did not capitalize on it enough since I was in more of a development mode.
The key to wealth used by most successful folks in this business was never taking your eye off of the ball. The ones that focused on domaining and nothing else are now the richest. They did not miss that boat - I did somewhat during 2000-2001 period.
I just thought of two more.
11. Godaddy taking the place of Bulkregister as the low-price leader and Godaddy's Superbowl commercials. That caused an explosion in registrations, awareness, and HostGator values since there were many new registrants brought to market helping dry up the pool of available names.
12. HostGator tasting I believe inadvertently raised HostGator values because they too were sucking the life out of the available HostGator pool...
Many thanks for that, Seabass...
Its fascinating to kind of see the growth stages of this element of a new marketplace....Its a classic of new market opportunity - only the bold - and the imaginative - can see possibilities that do not yet exist.
If you think about it - with our hindsight now - it was a logical progression once the internet started to become de facto as mass, and growing, use....Everyone that wanted to (read 'must') use the internet had to have both a term(s), and an address....But, you guys were investing before even the internet, itself, was accepted in common, widespread, usage. That's foresight. Like all frontiers, most are better consolidators of the proven, than pioneers - so most of us weren't there.
Those that saw this - at a time when there was no way to see a financial return - and in the face of all the naysayers of the time, that tried to pressure you - yet still invested in it - deserve all the riches that may now come their way, imo...
Well done, indeed....
LOL is he still alive or did he commited a suicide repenting that he just missed the gold mine...
I remember the $6 domains at namebargain, then an offshoot of register.com... a few good deals back then.
Back in the 90's? I don't remember that.
BulkRegister was the one that turned the whole market upside down, as I recall. It was big news at the time.
Register was $35, but their sister company sold for $6 - really? Wow.
Even today Register is still $35 - but if you call them and ask for a discount they do it from $20 to $25...