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Frame speed on Nikon D80
The stats on the D80 are *3fps*23/6(JPEG/RAW). What exactly does that mean. Will it shoot 23 fps in JPEG?.

I need to shoot some short sequence shots of 2-5 seconds and more frames in that time would help...

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K9hund wrote:.

The stats on the D80 are *3fps*23/6(JPEG/RAW). What exactly does thatmean. Will it shoot 23 fps in JPEG?.

No, it shoots at 3 frames/sec.It will shoot 23 continous jpegs and then the buffer will be full.It will shoot 6 jpeg/raw frames and then the buffer will be full..

I need to shoot some short sequence shots of 2-5 seconds and moreframes in that time would help..

Your going to get 6 to 15 shots..

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Ahh, I was afraid it meant something like that. I want pictures/video for some dog training instructional work I am planning. I have been torn between using a Dslr or a HD Camcorder. I was just out getting some hands on time. I liked the Nikon D80. My vision is not good and the big bright view finder was great.

I am doing a little more research on it..

Thanks for the help..

Comment #2

Some of the newer cameras coming out in the next few months will shoot at between 5-6 frames/sec. And if you don't mind spending more the new Nikon D3 will shoot at up to 11 frames/sec. with about 50 or so shots to fill the buffer.A member of the rabble in good standing...

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Another option would be buying a used D1H (you can get them refurbished from Nikon for around $600), which can shoot 5fps for 40 jpeg or 27 RAW frames. That is if 2.7 megapixels meets your resolution requirements. However, if you really need a much higher frame rate, and all you're doing is continuous sequences, HD video might be the way to go. For my wildlife shooting, 5-8fps is plenty for most situations...

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This is an interesting conundrum, trying to explain what I want to do pictoriallly in language sort of begs the point dosn't it. But maybe I need to try... sorry if it ends up "wordy"..

I am doing "dog training" differently than it is normally done. I am attempting to do something that is actually much harder than training dogs. I am tryig to train the people. I have come to believe that we, the people, are the ones that need the training. Dogs have instinctual ways of interpreting situations that do not include "language". In the final analysis I find this is not a negotiable point.



I am trying to make people aware of how their dogs interpret their body language, posture, direction of movement...Although dogs can and do interpret what we may consider very subtle movement or even expression, I am not sure I need to show that pictorially to get the message across. In fact my methods involve much more grandiose human movement. To make things clear for our dogs and easy for us people to acomplish, I find larger physical gestures to be clearer and less oftenly misinterpreted, especially in early stages..

Having been an avid fan of all sorts of sports my whole life I know that language has limits. One can not, linguistically or mathematically, calculate every movement necessary to get under a fly ball and catch it. Acomplishing the physical act defies trying to break it down in that manner. The mind is forced to work in a more efficient much faster way to acomplish the task. One must react to the sounds and visual signals based on experience and a more visual map of what, where and when. I believe that our dogs brains interpret everything we do more in this manner.



Somehow I think breaking "non verbal" communication into still pictures will help make my points. I am even concerned that the message might get lost, at least initially, in all the frames in a video. Maybe I just have dog fur on my brain but I am looking for some way to get people to focus on what I believe is a more basic and certainly less wordy form of communication. I think the message carries value beyond "training" a dog, elevating us into the realm of understanding...

Comment #5

I'd say you've a couple choices IMHO. I shoot on a D80 and love it, but 3 fps isn't exactly fast for motion captures or action..

You could research a few cameras that shoot 5+ fps, most of the newer cameras will (as already noted in thread) but come at a slightly higher to much, much higher price tag. Consider a good lens and body and accessories will run $2000+ USD pretty easily, depending on lens selection..

You could RENT an HD video camera. If you know what you're doing, you could drop frames and get some great still captures in editing. This would likely involve FCP, and that's not cheap. And you wouldn't own the video camera... Unless you're going to spend upwards of $4000 for a 3-CCD HD camera at the start..

You could also RENT a pro dSLR, like a Canon Mark whatever or Nikon D2x/s. But that's not really money well spent IMHO, with dSLRs renting for $150-200/day. Glass is a different story, $1500 lenses can rent for $30-50/day- making them great values to rent..

Hope this helps. I agree w/ your training technique. I personally believe that 'dogs don't make mistakes, their OWNERS do.' And yes, I'm a dog owner, so I take this statement to heart. Best of luck..

Cheers.Davidmy flickr: http://www.flickr.com/photos/prodesma/my website: http://kaptures.net/.

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I suggest you pose the movements at stages and add graphic arrows to indicate direction and speed. Posed has the advantage of breaking the gestures into recognizable parts at the change of direction and speed points..

And addtionally have a DVD with straight video come in a packet attached to the inside back cover..

As a multiple dog owner who uses gestures along with the voice command I know where your coming from. I use an open palm, fingers up, push away from my body for "sit" and the dogs will respond to either the audible or gesture or both. I just make them up.A member of the rabble in good standing...

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Thanks for the responces. I think I am getting across what I am trying to do. The suggestions are very helpful..

One thing I might add is I teach short scenarios or physical exercises in my classes. I find that dogs and people have more fun and pick things up quicker working each team in turn within a supportive, social, small group. The scenarios teach what would be multiple skills in a regular obedience class. As the participants progress they simply add on to or change parts of the basic scenarios. I find this helps everything flow together maintaining a certain amount of familiarity..

The advantage that this may have for me photographically is, the same scenarios get worked over and over. There are definable pieces of each scenario that I believe could be staged to photographic advantage. I am thinking lately about doing staged shots, and also providing pictures from classes to illustrate common errors, progression from beginning level to experienced, transitions to new material, indoors vs outdoors....

My current plan involves a Keynote (Apple's presentation software) with voice over on the text and still photos sections followed by video to pull it all together. I believe I could offer it all on a single DVD. I am also thinking about offering the various how to scenarios as down loads..

I did not realize that lenses could be rented. That might be a very good idea if I run into specific short term needs...

Comment #8

RE>I am trying to make people aware of how their dogs interpret their body language, posture, direction of movement...<.

So, the people who are going to see these images are dog owners who are going to sit down and look at the images and listen to you tallking to them at the same time, right?.

It's pretty difficult to show fifteen still images one right after the othe..

You need a movie camera, and you certainly DO NOT NEED a $4000 high definition multi-CCD camera. You audience is going to be looking at some portable monitor..

Do you pan to show people pictures of themselves and their dog, or of other peole and other dogs?.

What's the time delay between shoting and showing? Five minutes? Several days?.

For five minutes, the easiest thing to do is get a little television set (not a computer) and use this to play back images straight from the camera, using the camera as first a recording device and then secondly as a VCR playback device..

If there's time between shooting and showing, a editing program like Adobe Premiere Elements works just fine..

Most modern video cameras will also shoot 3MP or large still shots that you can use for various purposes, too..

My friend Willow is deaf, and her owner uses very exageratted hand signals to get Willow to do things. The other day the human said to me, "now, I'm going to shout." And mso she leaned forward while giving her instructions..

My friend Max isn't deaf, but he obeys arms signals from one of his human friends Max works at an automotive garage and Rod, Max's friend, can get Max to walk back and forth between varous cars parked on the far sie of the lot..

My dog, Andie, barks when she is on her leash and meets new dogs we can tell by the body language of the owners of the new dogs whether the new dog will be a chicken or come over to meet Andie..

I spend at least four or five hours a week with at least half a dozen owners and their dogs running free, and think you have a good point about body language. I find myself swinging my arms a lot when out with Andie when she's not on her leash..

BAK..

Comment #9

I am not attempting at this point to do something as advanced as photographing people working with their dogs and analyzing the play back with them..

The first "presentations" I will do are going to be Apple Keynotes. Keynote allows one to enter pictures, text, movies, slide shows, voice over, music... into the software package as a single presentation on a given subject. The presentation can be played back from a computer or DVD. A person observing can start, stop, go to specific subjects.....

These first presentations will be guides explaining how to effectively execute the scenarios we do in our classes. This series of presentations are so people can get a fast visual review of what they need to be doing at home. They could also be used as a way to learn the scenarios at home but there are significant advantages to working in a group, in a controled planned environment with professional help. The scenarios should take 15-30 seconds to do and can be broken down into say 4-12 parts (depending on the level)..

The reason I am considering using still images is I know people often miss many key issues even watching the scenarios in person with an instructor. There is just too much visually and auditorially happening in short time frames to take it all in. Voice over will allow me to describe the many issues observable on a given still frame. I can also demonstrate appropriate tones of voice and their significance. The timing of both the physical motions and auditory tones are also important which again increases the analysis required of the actions taking place in these short time frames...

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